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Re: Tier 3 Restrictions from 2 December
Posted: 3 Dec 2020, 10:03pm
by Stevek76
Ah ok, that's slightly different, had assumed it was meant using ANPR data directly to issue tickets in the post.
Using ANPR checks on vans to flag up vehicles registered outside the area to assist them in targeting which ones to pull over makes far more sense. Totally over the top but can see how that works.
And yes, most won't stand of course if correctly contested, but they're relying on people not knowing the law.
Re: Tier 3 Restrictions from 2 December
Posted: 4 Dec 2020, 8:53am
by Paulatic
High value business men are now exempt. Think that means Tory donors can no longer spread the virus and have no need to isolate.
Blatant or what?
Re: Tier 3 Restrictions from 2 December
Posted: 4 Dec 2020, 9:05am
by Boring_Username
Paulatic wrote:High value business men are now exempt. Think that means Tory donors can no longer spread the virus and have no need to isolate.
Blatant or what?
Perhaps not quite as blatant if the exemption list is considered in its entirety:
- "High value" business travellers
- Certain performing arts professionals
- TV production staff
- Journalists
- Recently signed elite sportspeople
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-new ... d-12150191
Re: Tier 3 Restrictions from 2 December
Posted: 4 Dec 2020, 9:45am
by Oldjohnw
There are arguments to be had over whether or not certain business people should have some exemptions in order to smooth he commercial finance action of the country.
But to call them "High value" seems crass, inaccurate and inept.
Re: Tier 3 Restrictions from 2 December
Posted: 4 Dec 2020, 10:09am
by thirdcrank
Covid train travel checks by North Yorkshire police
People travelling into North Yorkshire by train at the weekend are being warned they'll be asked where they're from and why they're visiting.
Supt Mike Walker from North Yorkshire Police said: "Those travelling into railway stations will see an increased presence by British Transport Police.
"It's our job to engage with the public and find out the purpose of their journeys, especially if we see groups of people arriving.
"The more we can encourage people to only travel when necessary, the better."
Meanwhile police have been stopping motorists from outside North Yorkshire attempting to cross into the county and checking they're not "inadvertently bringing coronavirus with them".
The North Yorkshire force is also using number plate recognition technology to police the regulations.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/england?ns_m ... type=shareI'd hope that having burnt their fingers during the first lockdown, BTP might gang warily but who knows?
Re: Tier 3 Restrictions from 2 December
Posted: 4 Dec 2020, 11:25am
by Jamesh
Boring_Username wrote:Paulatic wrote:High value business men are now exempt. Think that means Tory donors can no longer spread the virus and have no need to isolate.
Blatant or what?
Perhaps not quite as blatant if the exemption list is considered in its entirety:
- "High value" business travellers
- Certain performing arts professionals
- TV production staff
- Journalists
- Recently signed elite sportspeople
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-new ... d-12150191
Cannot stand it when people makes the rules for thier own benefit.
Rather like those who get off a substantial driving ban because of a job or professional necessity....
Cheers James
Re: Tier 3 Restrictions from 2 December
Posted: 4 Dec 2020, 5:04pm
by Oldjohnw
Re: Tier 3 Restrictions from 2 December
Posted: 4 Dec 2020, 7:22pm
by thirdcrank
I'm pleased that cuk advice seems to be along the same lines that some of us have been taking above, although I'm not clear what's meant by a "break." Also, there's nothing about visiting shops outside your own tier.
... There is no restriction on the distance you can cycle for exercise, where within England you can cycle, or the frequency of rides.
You are permitted to ride from a Tier 1 or 2 (Medium or High risk) area into a Tier 3 (Very High risk) area as part of your route, however you should not stop for a break while in that area.
Similarly, you are permitted to ride from a Tier 3 area into Tier 1, Tier 2 or other Tier 3 areas as part of your route, however you should only stop for a break while within your own area. ...
https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/coron ... g-guidanceIt would be good if they contacted the police and suggested they were interpreting the law incorrectly by treating government advice as mandatory.
Re: Tier 3 Restrictions from 2 December
Posted: 4 Dec 2020, 8:31pm
by Boring_Username
thirdcrank wrote:I'm pleased that cuk advice seems to be along the same lines that some of us have been taking above, although I'm not clear what's meant by a "break." Also, there's nothing about visiting shops outside your own tier.
You are permitted to ride from a Tier 1 or 2 (Medium or High risk) area into a Tier 3 (Very High risk) area as part of your route, however you should not stop for a break while in that area.
I have been operating under the assumption that essential stops do not count as a "break". "I need a wee", "I have run out of water", etc.
I suppose "I am hungry and will keel over if I do not buy Chocolate Hob Nobs from this shop" is a bit of a grey area.
Re: Tier 3 Restrictions from 2 December
Posted: 4 Dec 2020, 8:32pm
by mjr
Non-story. Bad reporting. Where a place is split between two tiers (like the restaurant in Tydd Gote), the higher tier applies to the whole. The law drafters saw that one coming and made it clear: "For the purposes of this Part of this Schedule, a gathering takes place in the Tier 3 area if any part of the place where it takes place is in the Tier 3 area."
Re: Tier 3 Restrictions from 2 December
Posted: 7 Dec 2020, 1:27pm
by thirdcrank
Media may be catching up with cUk Forum :-
There's no legal justification for police patrolling county borders, which amounts to harassmenthttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/comm ... s-amounts/
tier 2 and 3 rules. seeking your thoughts
Posted: 9 Dec 2020, 5:36pm
by PeterT
Cycling UK state:
For groups from ‘Medium’ or ‘High’ areas, you are permitted to ride into a ‘Very high’ area as part of your route, however you should not stop for a break while in that area.
For groups from ‘Very high’ areas, you are permitted to ride into ‘Medium’, ‘High’ or other ‘Very high’ areas as part of your route, however you should only stop for a break while within your own area.
I live in a tier 2 area. My cycling club and other members live in a tier 3 area. Now according to the cycling UK 'rules' I can meet my fellow cyclists (max. 6 in a group) but if they stop in a tier 3 area for a break, I cannot, and visa versa.
Further UK gov rules state:
you can continue to travel to venues or amenities which are open, but should aim to reduce the number of journeys you make where possible. There is no reference in this paragraph to the location of the venue, tier 1, 2, or 3.
So the quesion is, is cycling UK correct in its interpretation of the rules and secondly does the word ' travel' so often used in the advice and legislation really meant to apply to cyclists . or even walking or running. (ie, exercise)
Re: tier 2 and 3 rules. seeking your thoughts
Posted: 9 Dec 2020, 5:59pm
by Oldjohnw
I live in tier 3. I'd need to travel about 100 miles to get to tier 2 -ezcept for Scotland and it is literally against he law to cross the border to The Borders which are Scottish tier 1
Re: tier 2 and 3 rules. seeking your thoughts
Posted: 9 Dec 2020, 6:01pm
by Paulatic
Oldjohnw wrote:I live in tier 3. I'd need to travel about 100 miles to get to tier 2 -ezcept for Scotland and it is literally against he law to cross the border to The Borders which are Scottish tier 1
Will be Their 1 from Friday evening
Re: tier 2 and 3 rules. seeking your thoughts
Posted: 9 Dec 2020, 6:03pm
by Oldjohnw
Paulatic wrote:Oldjohnw wrote:I live in tier 3. I'd need to travel about 100 miles to get to tier 2 -ezcept for Scotland and it is literally against he law to cross the border to The Borders which are Scottish tier 1
Will be Their 1 from Friday evening
Yes. They are 2 just now but 1 on Friday. My son in Lanarkshire goes down to 3. I do hope but doubt we will drop to 2 next week.