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Re: Ordering from Rose in new year?
Posted: 21 Dec 2020, 7:34pm
by st599_uk
Stevek76 wrote:mjr wrote:In the other direction, Hornby were in the news as now refusing to sell to EU clients due to this mess.
Hornby have stopped all international orders until Jan, not just EU. Too much uncertainty and risk of postal disruption etc.
NickWi wrote:Isn't all of this an argument for (preferably) supporting your LBS or at least a UK online retailer?
No, it's mostly an argument for reduced consumer choice. Remember, this cuts both ways, there are (were) plenty of smaller uk retailers who'd found a niche selling stuff to the rest of the EU. It just cuts deeper for uk exporters since they're a market 5 times larger, and it cuts smaller businesses worse as they're the ones who can't easily just move part of their operation into the EU.
People mostly ordered from places like rose to get odd bits and bobs not stocked elsewhere, or take advantage of the odd good deal. The postage wasn't the cheapest so I doubt many were ordering regularly.
mumbojumbo wrote:More jobs for UK,excellent.All the nation needs to do is to develop a manufacturing centre making components.
What, like these sorts of jobs?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... or-no-deal"In anticipation of no deal, he has opened an office in Bucharest with seven staff and he is poised to sign the final paperwork on a new warehouse in Nuremberg to allow him to continue importing and exporting to the continent tariff-free."
I know a few who run online services companies have shifted to Estonia as you can be an e-resident and open companies there.
Re: Ordering from Rose in new year?
Posted: 22 Dec 2020, 5:30am
by mumbojumbo
I did not see any job advert as I cannot access Guardian! Been banned for exoposing Helen Pridds cycle routes.
Re: Ordering from Rose in new year?
Posted: 22 Dec 2020, 12:21pm
by Cyril Haearn
One imagines the staff are recruited locally, for their English is surely better than our Romanian
One wonders how much they are paid. Likely little to us, but quite a lot to them
Re: Ordering from Rose in new year?
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 1:24pm
by Billy007
RoseBikes have just informed me they received my parcel back as undeliverable despite being dispatched and sent on it's way, maybe because of the chaos at the ports due to the French and are refunding me although I shall get back approx £2.50 less than the order cost me.
Re: Ordering from Rose in new year?
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 1:55pm
by markjohnobrien
That is very bad luck - blame Mr Macron for closing the border...
Re: Ordering from Rose in new year?
Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 9:00am
by Sweep
Maybe more chance of them starting up again in the new year?
From what i have gathered, maybe mistakenly, from the mysterious document, there will be no new duties and taxes on bits sent to the UK?
So just depends on whether Rose can be bothered with extra paperwork/admin?
Re: Ordering from Rose in new year?
Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 10:12am
by Jdsk
That sounds a fair description with our current state of knowledge.
I expect that they will restart, but it will be more expensive and there'll be a lot more bumf.
Happy Christmas
Jonathan
Re: Ordering from Rose in new year?
Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 11:50am
by markjohnobrien
I’m hoping they restart as they should still be far cheaper for certain items and there won’t be additional VAT or customs duties as there would have been under WTO terms but it will be extra admin hassle and friction for Rose. Economists talk about transaction costs, extra friction.
Re: Ordering from Rose in new year?
Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 12:07pm
by Psamathe
My impression is that these online companies operate a low margin high volume system where despatch/shipping/etc. has to be slick and cheap. Add overhead to the process and they wont be able to sustain low pricing.
My impression is that whatever the UK-EU tariff deal turns-out be be a significant element will be the non-tariff barriers (paperwork, declarations, etc.). So I suspect the commercial viability of the UK market depends on kore than negotiated tariffs.
Maybe part of the problem is that Johnson does not seem to understand or becomes "confused" on the issue (e.g. having declared "
no non-tariff barriers" which even the BBC describe as a "
manifest error".
So I think the prospects for such companies selling to the UK depends on more that Johnson's opinion on what he has agreed to.
Ian
Re: Rose Bikes No Longer Serving UK Market
Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 1:11pm
by PhilD28
markjohnobrien wrote:Billy007 wrote:It is with some sadness that I got this notification earlier today from Rose Bikes:
Dear Customer,
due to the Brexit and the withdrawal from the EU domestic market without an Free Trade Agreement from the 01.01.2021, we can no longer fullfill any orders from the UK. Already ordered goods, that can be shiped until 20.12.2020 will be send out. Orders that can not be shipped until this date will be cancelled.
If your goods can not be shipped, our customer support will contact you via E-Mail. Unfortunately we feel compelled to not fulfill UK orders currently, we hopte to be able to ship to our UK customers soon again. Thank you very much for understanding and for your loyalty and support.
But fortunately my recent order has just been dispatched so hopefully I get my stuff before all trade temporarily ceases with the EU.
I got the same e-mail today which is disappointing as they were great for dynamo wheels, lights, etc, and thank god my B and M IQ-X dynamo light was delivered today at an outstandingly cheap price.
I recieved a similar email from them back in Sept advising that it was likely that they were stopping shipping to the UK.
Re: Ordering from Rose in new year?
Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 8:34pm
by willcee
Interesting contris. however until the smoke clears I wouldn't guess too much what EEC outfits will do . the facts yet still to be clarified over here in Ulster is that I have heard whimpers of a freeport being considered which would benefit the 6 counties big time , that and the rep of Ireland who were and are benders of import and export situations since the dawn of existence will likely as not have a few EEC head offices with accompanied warehousing for examination purposes in the next year or two... watch this space...will
Re: Ordering from Rose in new year?
Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 8:36pm
by st599_uk
Not sure what the EEC will do. It ceased to exist in 1993.
Re: Ordering from Rose in new year?
Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 8:44pm
by willcee
Apology, I am corrected by a knowledgeable person who knows well what I meant.. EU. same [rude word removed] thing... will
Re: Ordering from Rose in new year?
Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 9:02pm
by st599_uk
Not at all the same thing. The EEC didn't have a single market. It had common tarrif and customs territory and some similarities in regulations.
We're actually heading backwards towards an EEC like agreement with the EU, without the ability to influence standards.
Re: Ordering from Rose in new year?
Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 10:30pm
by mjr
markjohnobrien wrote:That is very bad luck - blame Mr Macron for closing the border...
Better to blame Mr Johnson for both letting the virus run riot so it had more chance to mutate badly here and failing to coordinate with neighbouring countries.