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jgurney wrote:

Bonefishblues wrote:AIUI the driver claimed not to be the driver, rather that an unnamed member of the Irish Car Scene had been, and in any event it was all puff and spin, and anyway whilst the journey happened it did so without exceeding the speed limit, as it would surely have been detected by at least one of the plethora of speed detection devices on the route, and those 'countermeasures' which were fitted to the car in question, and which remained on the car when it was examined by the police weren't used, they were part of the spin and puff of the rather Walter Mittyesque central character.

With hindsight it's perhaps easy to see how one might sow doubt in a Jury's mind, such that they weren't sure that an offence had been proved

He has avoided being convicted, but in the process has publicly declared himself to be a liar, and if at some future date he asserts that he really did make the journey in the time he originally claimed, he will be confessing to perjury.

Bonefishblues wrote:

jgurney wrote:He has avoided being convicted, but in the process has publicly declared himself to be a liar, and if at some future date he asserts that he really did make the journey in the time he originally claimed, he will be confessing to perjury.

Not sure that follows tbh. He's painted himself as someone who exaggerated on the internet, as many people do. I think the bird has flown here.

jgurney wrote:

Bonefishblues wrote:

jgurney wrote:He has avoided being convicted, but in the process has publicly declared himself to be a liar, and if at some future date he asserts that he really did make the journey in the time he originally claimed, he will be confessing to perjury.

Not sure that follows tbh. He's painted himself as someone who exaggerated on the internet, as many people do. I think the bird has flown here.

"Someone who exaggerated"- i.e. told lies.

"as many people do" - that other people did similar things does not make it any better.

Psamathe wrote:

jgurney wrote:

Bonefishblues wrote:AIUI the driver claimed not to be the driver, rather that an unnamed member of the Irish Car Scene had been, and in any event it was all puff and spin, and anyway whilst the journey happened it did so without exceeding the speed limit, as it would surely have been detected by at least one of the plethora of speed detection devices on the route, and those 'countermeasures' which were fitted to the car in question, and which remained on the car when it was examined by the police weren't used, they were part of the spin and puff of the rather Walter Mittyesque central character.

With hindsight it's perhaps easy to see how one might sow doubt in a Jury's mind, such that they weren't sure that an offence had been proved

He has avoided being convicted, but in the process has publicly declared himself to be a liar, and if at some future date he asserts that he really did make the journey in the time he originally claimed, he will be confessing to perjury.

I suspect that many petrol heads will regard his "publicly declared himself to be a liar" as the means to get away with what he did; just as people speeding hire a good lawyer to find some loophole. In this case his loophole was "no witnesses".

I believe there is no law about lying to your mates nor of telling a fictional story so if in future he claims he did make the run I doubt it would be perjury as he can then just declare he's lying (outside court) again.

But I'm no lawyer, no legal expert.

Ian

Oldjohnw wrote:..
You're a motorist so you are automatically a criminal.

Cyril Haearn wrote:

Oldjohnw wrote:..
You're a motorist so you are automatically a criminal.

Not far from the truth

Oldjohnw wrote:

Cyril Haearn wrote:

Oldjohnw wrote:..
You're a motorist so you are automatically a criminal.

Not far from the truth

A long way from the truth. I don't think lumping most decent people in with someone who brags about gratuitously breaking the law - even if only in his own mind - is a reasonable thing to do at all

Cyril Haearn wrote:Most (more than half) of drivers routinely break the law, plenty talk openly about it, bleat about safety cameras for instance, -1
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Oldjohnw wrote:

Cyril Haearn wrote:Most (more than half) of drivers routinely break the law, plenty talk openly about it, bleat about safety cameras for instance, -1
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You have some stats for this? 'Plenty' is a bit imprecise.

Please don't confuse my questioning a sweeping statement as agreeing with law breaking motorists. I am not one and I abhor it.

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