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Cyril Haearn wrote:

DaveBeck wrote:

Cyril Haearn wrote:The majority routinely break the law, I thought we had agreed on that, the majority are criminals/offenders

I have spent time observing traffic at Stop signs, one waits a while before seeing even a single one who can even read. The majority do not stop, they are presumably illiterate

I prefer to collect my own evidence than to rely on the internut

Good grief!

I assume you mean the "Royal We" as I don't recall most of us agreeing any such thing?! I should stop flogging that particular horse if I were you, it's long since left the stables.

Please to spend a few minutes observing traffic at a STOP sign and report on your observations
According to the police most 'accidents' are not accidents at all, hundreds of thousands of them a year

I use the phrase, 'the majority routinely break the law' which certainly reflects my observations

Cyril Haearn wrote:I mean, observe how many drivers stop at Stop signs! Hardly any
They obviously can not read

Driving crime is ubiquitous, wherever one lives

Cyril Haearn wrote:
I am in theory interested in learning about other views, but..

Oldjohnw wrote:

Cyril Haearn wrote:
I am in theory interested in learning about other views, but..

Really?

BTW, I passed my test over 53 years ago

Cyril Haearn wrote:

Oldjohnw wrote:

Cyril Haearn wrote:
I am in theory interested in learning about other views, but..

Really?

BTW, I passed my test over 53 years ago

Yes, really, as long as 'respectful' language is used, like the language one would use if sitting in a room together

Cyril Haearn wrote:You are not my mate

I drove for more than 30 years, so I know what I am talking about too. Fascinating that we have such different perceptions, shame about your tone. I am in theory interested in learning about other views, but..

'Accidents' occur in vast numbers, the cops say that very few are indeed 'accidental', they occur because drivers go too fast, follow too close, ignore stop signs, use the phone etc &c

I submit that 1800 deaths and 150 000 serious injuries, countless 'minor injuries' and near-'accidents' in a year indicate a lot of bad driving

Cyril Haearn wrote:I should try to be polite while pointing out that stop means stop, just as no means no

Oldjohnw wrote:

Cyril Haearn wrote:I should try to be polite while pointing out that stop means stop, just as no means no

Ah. So the strong, sweeping and unevidenced stuff is kept for these pages, then.

Cyril Haearn wrote:

Oldjohnw wrote:

Cyril Haearn wrote:I should try to be polite while pointing out that stop means stop, just as no means no

Ah. So the strong, sweeping and unevidenced stuff is kept for these pages, then.

I posted evidence above, but who knows, they might be lying
Whatabout the 'accidents' mentioned above? Do they drop out of the sky?

The aim here is to present various percentage-based statements about who’s breaking which laws on the road (plus who’s indulging in which dangerous behaviours), backed up with references. I’ve tried to include only statistics which are derived from either (a) reasonably convincing research studies, (b) reasonably trustworthy evidence such as conviction rates and police data, or (c) “self-admission” surveys (ie those involving respondents confessing to their own behaviour, which are highly unlikely to overestimate non-compliance) – but, as with all statistics, handle with care. If you have any sense, you should realise that apparently similar phrasing below does not necessarily equate to directly comparable data once you look at the source.