CTC works for the safety of cyclists
There is curently a CTC HQ charity
raising funds for.... a new HQ charity at Godalming.
Have a litle charity Clarkson!
Have a bit of Charity, Clarkson!
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gar
Re:Have a bit of Charity, Clarkson!
Sent to Sun newspapers.
Campaign for road Safety at Cycle Touring Club Membership
http://www.ctc.org.uk/
http://www.ctcforum.org.uk/
I understand that Mr Jeremy Clarkson of the programme Topgear
made it quite clear on one of his programmes
"that he would run a cyclist down who gets in his way."
We believe that this assertion is the expression of an intention to
Commit an offence namely Manslaughter, as per new laws 2005,
and even before.
Our allegation is (not speaking on behalf of CTC council,
but a group of correspondent members) that the remarks he made are an intention
to commit an offence... Manslaughter, and the deliberate aspect of
it was expressed clearly in his Topgear programme in recent months.
It is a serious allegation.
Yours sincerely,
Gareth Howell
DT27H
Campaign for road Safety at Cycle Touring Club Membership
http://www.ctc.org.uk/
http://www.ctcforum.org.uk/
I understand that Mr Jeremy Clarkson of the programme Topgear
made it quite clear on one of his programmes
"that he would run a cyclist down who gets in his way."
We believe that this assertion is the expression of an intention to
Commit an offence namely Manslaughter, as per new laws 2005,
and even before.
Our allegation is (not speaking on behalf of CTC council,
but a group of correspondent members) that the remarks he made are an intention
to commit an offence... Manslaughter, and the deliberate aspect of
it was expressed clearly in his Topgear programme in recent months.
It is a serious allegation.
Yours sincerely,
Gareth Howell
DT27H
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gar
Re:Have a bit of Charity, Clarkson!
Also sent to the following URL where the complaints procedure is clear .
www.bbc.co.uk/complaints
I have requested a reply on the programme Topgear
Since I do not have the date of the alleged offence he may deny having said it, so rack your brains please.
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www.bbc.co.uk/complaints
I have requested a reply on the programme Topgear
Since I do not have the date of the alleged offence he may deny having said it, so rack your brains please.
g
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TJ
Re:Have a bit of Charity, Clarkson!
If you wanted to have a co-ordinated effort to get this man brought down gar, you can count me in as long as there are enough of us to make a difference. One or two individuals will never be enough.
Should we be trying to get the CTC involved as a national body?
Should we be trying to get the CTC involved as a national body?
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Andy Tallis
Re:Have a bit of Charity, Clarkson!
And me! I'm a student it's my job to protest against something, but no rational person can accept his behaviour. The only quesion is whether we can make a difference?
Do we have any video evidence (from top gear etc) of his inconsiderate driving to take to the police?
Do we have any video evidence (from top gear etc) of his inconsiderate driving to take to the police?
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gar
Re:Have a bit of Charity, Clarkson!
Everybody can write in a complaint at the address above.
They are obliged to reply.
As with our new campaigning tool for messages to minters and things we can also send many messages to Michael Grade.
I have never watched Topgear and it is not my intention to watch such rubbish, but to hear of somebody inciting motorists in such a way whilst CTc tries to campaign for road safety is quite intolerable.
WRITE NOW!
Have a good evening
gar
They are obliged to reply.
As with our new campaigning tool for messages to minters and things we can also send many messages to Michael Grade.
I have never watched Topgear and it is not my intention to watch such rubbish, but to hear of somebody inciting motorists in such a way whilst CTc tries to campaign for road safety is quite intolerable.
WRITE NOW!
Have a good evening
gar
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CJ
Re:Have a bit of Charity, Clarkson!
For your information, this is the current bone of contention:
Beware vicious cycles
Jeremy Clarkson, the Sun newspaper, 2005-07-16, p33
In the wake of the London bombs we're told that many commuters are now switching to bicycles.
This is great of course. On a bicycle, you don't have to sit next to a lunatic, you won't be glued to your seat by a piece of chewing gum, and you will not be stopped by leaves on the line or industrial action.
However, can I offer five handy hints to those setting out on a bike for the first time.
Do not cruise through red lights. Because if I'm coming the other way, I will run you down, for fun.
Do not pull up at junctions in front of a line of traffic. Because if I'm behind you, I will set off at normal speed and you will be crushed under my wheels.
Do not wear lycra shorts unless you are Kate Moss. I do not wish to cruise down the road looking at your meat and two veg.
Do not, ever, swear at or curse people in cars or trucks. You are a guest on roads that are paid for by motorists, so if we cut you up, shut up.
Do not wear a helmet. It makes you look ridiculous.
Although Clarkson comes very close to the incitement of violence against an easily identified minority (that if distinguished by choice of religion rather than transport would soon have legal protection from such invective) he's careful to tread the right side of that fine line. He only says what he will do. Nowhere does he actually tell anyone else to do the same.
It's nevertheless a racing certainty that other frustrated bigots are encouraged by the publication of such thoughts to drive as carelessly around cyclists as they think they can get away with. Sometimes they get it wrong of course.
Beware vicious cycles
Jeremy Clarkson, the Sun newspaper, 2005-07-16, p33
In the wake of the London bombs we're told that many commuters are now switching to bicycles.
This is great of course. On a bicycle, you don't have to sit next to a lunatic, you won't be glued to your seat by a piece of chewing gum, and you will not be stopped by leaves on the line or industrial action.
However, can I offer five handy hints to those setting out on a bike for the first time.
Do not cruise through red lights. Because if I'm coming the other way, I will run you down, for fun.
Do not pull up at junctions in front of a line of traffic. Because if I'm behind you, I will set off at normal speed and you will be crushed under my wheels.
Do not wear lycra shorts unless you are Kate Moss. I do not wish to cruise down the road looking at your meat and two veg.
Do not, ever, swear at or curse people in cars or trucks. You are a guest on roads that are paid for by motorists, so if we cut you up, shut up.
Do not wear a helmet. It makes you look ridiculous.
Although Clarkson comes very close to the incitement of violence against an easily identified minority (that if distinguished by choice of religion rather than transport would soon have legal protection from such invective) he's careful to tread the right side of that fine line. He only says what he will do. Nowhere does he actually tell anyone else to do the same.
It's nevertheless a racing certainty that other frustrated bigots are encouraged by the publication of such thoughts to drive as carelessly around cyclists as they think they can get away with. Sometimes they get it wrong of course.
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Helen
Re:Have a bit of Charity, Clarkson!
Regarding Clarkson's comment about cyclists being guests of motorists who pay for the roads, am I right in thinking:
1. People who pay for the roads are those who contribute to the general tax fund, so an unemployed motorist might not be paying for the roads, whereas a 16-year old worker who couldn't legally drive would be.
2. The only people with a legal right to use the roads are pedestrians, cyclists and horseriders. Motorists are allowed to use roads under licence.
3. "Road tax" does not exist. It is correctly named "Motor vehicle licence tax".
Time and time again I come up against comments by motorists that their "road tax" pays for maintaining roads. I hope I'm correct in replying with the points above. Furthermore, just because someone's riding a bike doesn't mean they don't have a car as well.
1. People who pay for the roads are those who contribute to the general tax fund, so an unemployed motorist might not be paying for the roads, whereas a 16-year old worker who couldn't legally drive would be.
2. The only people with a legal right to use the roads are pedestrians, cyclists and horseriders. Motorists are allowed to use roads under licence.
3. "Road tax" does not exist. It is correctly named "Motor vehicle licence tax".
Time and time again I come up against comments by motorists that their "road tax" pays for maintaining roads. I hope I'm correct in replying with the points above. Furthermore, just because someone's riding a bike doesn't mean they don't have a car as well.
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Andy Tallis
Re:Have a bit of Charity, Clarkson!
I've been told that only trunk roads are paid for by national tax and local roads are funded by council tax. In other words, according to Clarkson's philosophy, he is a guest of a local cyclist when outside his district on minor roads.
Perhaps motorists who share his pathetic views on tax should considere that they have very few toll roads to pay for in this country. £150 or whatever it is wouldn't get all that many go's down the European motorway's, but here it's unlimited.
But what about petrol tax I hear them say? Well, LPG is about 39p/litre I think so they can forget that argument right off unless... LPG cars have reduced road access.
Perhaps motorists who share his pathetic views on tax should considere that they have very few toll roads to pay for in this country. £150 or whatever it is wouldn't get all that many go's down the European motorway's, but here it's unlimited.
But what about petrol tax I hear them say? Well, LPG is about 39p/litre I think so they can forget that argument right off unless... LPG cars have reduced road access.
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gar
Re:Have a bit of Charity, Clarkson!
Thanx for that CJ
I wonder if anybody can recall the precise
Topgear terms, or find them?
No the above is NOT incitement, and he would not be in the wrong in so doing (running down) except that he has publicly said he would.
That would certainly be an offence in terms of
BRAKE charity's list of laws.
I wonder if anybody can recall the precise
Topgear terms, or find them?
No the above is NOT incitement, and he would not be in the wrong in so doing (running down) except that he has publicly said he would.
That would certainly be an offence in terms of
BRAKE charity's list of laws.
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gar
Re:Have a bit of Charity, Clarkson!
Golden rule is that two wrongs do not make a right.
Two wrongs are two wrongs but you can't prosecute a dead cyclist.
You can prosecute a living Clarkson.
The idea that we are providing advertising in mentioning his name, is mistaken. Advertising is generally designed to be profitable, and these threads would only be profitable to a potential victim... who would avoid being the victim.
Two wrongs are two wrongs but you can't prosecute a dead cyclist.
You can prosecute a living Clarkson.
The idea that we are providing advertising in mentioning his name, is mistaken. Advertising is generally designed to be profitable, and these threads would only be profitable to a potential victim... who would avoid being the victim.
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crs1953
Re:Have a bit of Charity, Clarkson!
Re the posting above by 'Helen' - SPOT ON !
I'd echo every word.
I'd also add that it's best not to get all heated up by comments made by boy racer Clarkson - doesn't everyone know that he's a total idiot ?????
In his defense he'd no doubt say that his comments were 'just a bit of fun' but I'd agree with CJ when he said "It's nevertheless a racing certainty that other frustrated bigots are encouraged by the publication of such thoughts to drive as carelessly around cyclists as they think they can get away with."
and for that reason Clarkson should have his butt kicked for opening his big mouth and putting his foot in it. He should leave that to the Duke of Edinburgh who my late father always referred to as the 'skint Greek'
I'd echo every word.
I'd also add that it's best not to get all heated up by comments made by boy racer Clarkson - doesn't everyone know that he's a total idiot ?????
In his defense he'd no doubt say that his comments were 'just a bit of fun' but I'd agree with CJ when he said "It's nevertheless a racing certainty that other frustrated bigots are encouraged by the publication of such thoughts to drive as carelessly around cyclists as they think they can get away with."
and for that reason Clarkson should have his butt kicked for opening his big mouth and putting his foot in it. He should leave that to the Duke of Edinburgh who my late father always referred to as the 'skint Greek'
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Andy Tallis
Re:Have a bit of Charity, Clarkson!
Clarkson's comments about environmental issues are also abbismal. On a topgear episode he defended someones choice of a Range Rover because their kids would be "as safe as possible" inside. Apart from the obvious problem of other peoples kids should there be a collision (Range Rovers can do some real damage) they are not safe at all. Good protection, but a high centre of gravity, poor on road manouverability and probably not ideal tyres for the road. They aren't really much more comfy than a normal car anyway but hey - if you can afford to poison the environment why not?
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gar
Re:Have a bit of Charity, Clarkson!
Duke of Edinburgh who my late father always referred to as the 'skint Greek'
Was he that poor? I did not know that.
We all call him Blue Murder because of his very wicked habit of putting a police flashlight on his car roof when he goes down Piccadilly to clear the road ahead for ..... HIMSELF!
I pointed at him once in the way that he points at the crowd in his imperial way, and he leaned out of the window and shouted "Get in! there's been a m*urder in Soho!"
That really put me on the spot so I had to make my excuses by saying that I was terribly busy discussing exactly that in the Home Affairs committee in parliament... Blue Murder.
He replied "Don't point then if you can't help" and slammed the window shut!
"S*hit!" I thought "This is it! I'm in trouble" but as he drove down the street the window unwound again and smiled a beatific smile!
He was getting through the traffic ok. They had cleared a way!
My Father says he had been doing that since he first moved to London in the 50s, but yes
skint Greek! I have an idea that my father and some RFU chums accepted the invitation in about 1949-50 and they had a very pleasant Saturday evening looking for blue murder in a tavern in Soho! It's not the kind of thing one talks about though but sometimes do to pals.
DofE is a right laugh, The Award is a good one too; good thinking. Any number of kids do it round here in Dorset
Was he that poor? I did not know that.
We all call him Blue Murder because of his very wicked habit of putting a police flashlight on his car roof when he goes down Piccadilly to clear the road ahead for ..... HIMSELF!
I pointed at him once in the way that he points at the crowd in his imperial way, and he leaned out of the window and shouted "Get in! there's been a m*urder in Soho!"
That really put me on the spot so I had to make my excuses by saying that I was terribly busy discussing exactly that in the Home Affairs committee in parliament... Blue Murder.
He replied "Don't point then if you can't help" and slammed the window shut!
"S*hit!" I thought "This is it! I'm in trouble" but as he drove down the street the window unwound again and smiled a beatific smile!
He was getting through the traffic ok. They had cleared a way!
My Father says he had been doing that since he first moved to London in the 50s, but yes
skint Greek! I have an idea that my father and some RFU chums accepted the invitation in about 1949-50 and they had a very pleasant Saturday evening looking for blue murder in a tavern in Soho! It's not the kind of thing one talks about though but sometimes do to pals.
DofE is a right laugh, The Award is a good one too; good thinking. Any number of kids do it round here in Dorset
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herrmann
Re:Have a bit of Charity, Clarkson!
I was once told by a policeman that to issue a threat to kill someone is a criminal offence. If the threat is written in a paper or spoken on tv, what doubt can there be?