philvantwo wrote:The cheapest battery car with a 300mile range is £50k! Who's going to pay that?
Our car has a range of approx 280 miles and cost hugely less than £50k
philvantwo wrote:The cheapest battery car with a 300mile range is £50k! Who's going to pay that?
kwackers wrote:An 80k Tesla never got the subsidy anyway - it was capped at 50k.
Now it's down to 35k.
But yeah, Tesla sales are largely driven by company car folk and their tax free status but no Tesla costs less than £35k so they're all out.
With that in mind I'd argue that it's 'normal' folk trying to buy a family car that have been hit, not the rich folk buying £80k Teslas, Jags and Porches.
ncutler wrote:Since I have now been driving an electric car for 9 months and have some practical experience I thought I might add to this discussion.
philvantwo wrote:Narrow terraced streets with space for parking on one side only? Are we going to see extension leads trailing across all these roads?
What about lorries? Are they going to tow a trailer with the battery pack on board?
Battery cars are okay for use around towns but in the real world they're not the answer.
Stradageek wrote:Maybe we need a touch of the Schumacher 'Small is beautiful' and re-organise ourselves into local communities with local facilities and local jobs. Families can then stay together, we can all walk to the shops etc. Maybe the homeworking shift is a way of starting this?
philvantwo wrote:Get real krackers!
The cheapest battery car with a 300mile range is £50k! Who's going to pay that?
Narrow terraced streets with space for parking on one side only? Are we going to see extension leads trailing across all these roads?
What about lorries? Are they going to tow a trailer with the battery pack on board?
Battery cars are okay for use around towns but in the real world they're not the answer.
You obviously don't know very much about making batterys!
ncutler wrote:Stradageek wrote:Maybe we need a touch of the Schumacher 'Small is beautiful' and re-organise ourselves into local communities with local facilities and local jobs. Families can then stay together, we can all walk to the shops etc. Maybe the homeworking shift is a way of starting this?
Agree. Look at the Paris proposals for the 15 minute city.
I also think that the self driving vehicle is a large part of the solution. This is much easier with electric vehicles ( vastly simpler and safer to arrange computer control of an electric mechanism )...
Jdsk wrote:ncutler wrote:Stradageek wrote:Maybe we need a touch of the Schumacher 'Small is beautiful' and re-organise ourselves into local communities with local facilities and local jobs. Families can then stay together, we can all walk to the shops etc. Maybe the homeworking shift is a way of starting this?
Agree. Look at the Paris proposals for the 15 minute city.
I also think that the self driving vehicle is a large part of the solution. This is much easier with electric vehicles ( vastly simpler and safer to arrange computer control of an electric mechanism )...
Agree x 4 (I think).
And the last interacts with decreased personal ownership, summoning, and the cars not living on residential streets.
Jonathan
kwackers wrote:Jdsk wrote:ncutler wrote:Agree. Look at the Paris proposals for the 15 minute city.
I also think that the self driving vehicle is a large part of the solution. This is much easier with electric vehicles ( vastly simpler and safer to arrange computer control of an electric mechanism )...
Agree x 4 (I think).
And the last interacts with decreased personal ownership, summoning, and the cars not living on residential streets.
But self driving I think is most likely the real disruptive tech. If I could use an app on my phone to call a car that appears within minutes outside my door and is mine for the duration of my requirements then I doubt I'd bother ever buying a car again.
In one foul swoop it fixes a lot of issues. Removes the need to have expensive vehicles lining streets particularly on the aforementioned narrow terraces who's occupants often daren't use their car anyway for fear of losing their parking.
Removes vast car parking space, is safer, cleaner, uses less resources - in fact it's difficult to find a negative.
ncutler wrote:philvantwo wrote:The cheapest battery car with a 300mile range is £50k! Who's going to pay that?
Our car has a range of approx 280 miles and cost hugely less than £50k
mjr wrote:Is anyone hiring long range EVs out yet?
thirdcrank wrote:I appreciate you are using 'cleaner' in the environmental sense but I fear one negative with the type of system you describe is that many users will treat them badly.. There's an obvious limit to how they can be driven like dodgems imposed by the system itself, but the insides may end up being middens.