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Last year the church in town was burned down by arsonists.

Yesterday my wife came home a little damp - water was coming through the roof of her church 'cos some bounders had made away with the lead off of the roof on Saturday.

What a world to live in eh!
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there's lead going from all over round here too. a couple of hundred yards of flashing off one church, the park keepers store had a load taken off the roof valley.
nothings sacred any more.

But this is nothing new, I remember it being a crime problem in the late 70's early 80's...
But like you say is nothing sacred, I am a non-believer but think it is disgracful that stuff is stolen from religious buildings, in fact let's be honest from any building.

eileithyia wrote:But this is nothing new, I remember it being a crime problem in the late 70's early 80's...
But like you say is nothing sacred, I am a non-believer but think it is disgracful that stuff is stolen from religious buildings, in fact let's be honest from any building.

For as long as there's been something of value there's been somebody prepared to deprive it's owner of it.

I'm sure when religion was in it's infancy, some scally probably had away with a few trinkets from the witch doctors hut...

It is awful, and I agree with you all.

To play devils advocate though, I'd warn against generalising religious buildings. One could argue that some religious buildings, and even religions themselves, were built on theft - from people, countries, and even other religions.

Again, I do agree with you all, I'm just throwing that in balance.

Oh, aye, I don't dissagree. I was just musing on the fact that it's a marker for how values change. 'Way back when' I remember churches keeping their doors open all of the time with little worry because they were the last place that people would pinch from. Now even that hs gone. Partly, no doubt, due to the fact that religion might have a lesser meaning to more people now, but also partly because honesty has a lesser meaning to more people now.

Yes, yes, I know, every generation gets to a stage where it mumbles on about how things like this never happened "when I were a lad". But as I was subjected to this when I was a lad I think it only right that I keep the tradition alive

Si wrote:Oh, aye, I don't dissagree. I was just musing on the fact that it's a marker for how values change. 'Way back when' I remember churches keeping their doors open all of the time with little worry because they were the last place that people would pinch from. Now even that hs gone. Partly, no doubt, due to the fact that religion might have a lesser meaning to more people now, but also partly because honesty has a lesser meaning to more people now.

Yes, yes, I know, every generation gets to a stage where it mumbles on about how things like this never happened "when I were a lad". But as I was subjected to this when I was a lad I think it only right that I keep the tradition alive

Ha... The old "when I were a lad". Funny out tales of robbery and violence always end this way!

Speak to any historian and they'll point out how false this is. We simply tend to have fond memories of our youth whilst rejoicing in the social decay around us.

kwackers wrote:Speak to any historian and they'll point out how false this is. We simply tend to have fond memories of our youth whilst rejoicing in the social decay around us.

I make a point of avoiding historians at all costs - if you want to know what happened in the past you need a trowel

Si wrote: if you want to know what happened in the past you need a trowel

a trowel wont tell me where I put that twenty quid note. Oh damn, I remember: I bought a trowel.

our local schools have been hit by thieves too taking lead off the roofs

pigman wrote:

Si wrote: if you want to know what happened in the past you need a trowel

a trowel wont tell me where I put that twenty quid note. Oh damn, I remember: I bought a trowel.

£20? I'll do you a deal £17 a go, no questions asked...

lauriematt wrote:our local schools have been hit by thieves too taking lead off the roofs

Metals are getting scarcer, wait until it becomes commercially viable to steal door knockers and letter boxes for their brass (zinc) content!

There've been quite a few instances of road signs being nicked for their aluminium (and sub-stations being robbed of their copper - with the occasional death).

piedwagtail91 wrote: ... nothings sacred any more.

Going by the number of people who worship it, money's sacred. Always has been, even when money was sea-shells.

Organised religions came into being as a nifty way of bringing in plenty of dosh for the men who run them. You know, high-ups - like bishops.
That's why women can't be bishops - women don't understand that religions are for making money. Women stupidly think that religions should be for helping the poor and the sick, etc. Well doh!

kwackers wrote:

lauriematt wrote:our local schools have been hit by thieves too taking lead off the roofs

Metals are getting scarcer, wait until it becomes commercially viable to steal door knockers and letter boxes for their brass (zinc) content!

There've been quite a few instances of road signs being nicked for their aluminium (and sub-stations being robbed of their copper - with the occasional death).

i don't know if it is still the case but fairly recently the copper content in 2p and 1p coins was worth more than the coin face value.

i think there has been similar in the states with the nickel in some of their coinage.

ris wrote:i don't know if it is still the case but fairly recently the copper content in 2p and 1p coins was worth more than the coin face value.

i think there has been similar in the states with the nickel in some of their coinage.

I believe since '93 they've been made of copper coated steel. Prior to that they're made from bronze

I'm not sure what scrap bronze is worth, but if we assume it's similar to brass.

Scrap brass = £2300 per tonne. (letsrecycle.com)
1p coin = 3.56g, 2p = 7.12g

1 tonne copper coins would cost (aprox) 1000kg/3.56g = £2810

So nearly but not quite.