Electric everything.

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Given that we can only siphon off 3.6GW (and probably 5 if the batteries are empty) there are a couple of GW going spare at peak times

That’s more than we need to sent a deli team through time…
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Interconnect between Norway and the UK goes live today, 700 to 1400 MW:
https://news.sky.com/story/worlds-longe ... y-12422294

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They added an “E” to Blyth. Is that for electric.
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I went back to check...

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Jdsk wrote: 14 Sep 2021, 10:28am
[XAP]Bob wrote: 24 Aug 2021, 4:32pm
al_yrpal wrote: 24 Aug 2021, 2:56pm Well Mr Kwateng put his foot in it with his "heat pumps are that much worse than boilers" statement. An unqualified statement by an unqualified bloke. But...there is probably some truth there. Like early solar panel installations many are likely to be faulty in various fashions. Radiators being too small in gas or oil to heat pump conversion situations for a start. Powered by electricity generated largely from fossil fuels another. Confusing coefficient of performance with efficuency yet another.
However we have to start somewhere. If someone is prepared to finance digging up a huge section of my lawn and reinstating it to install a ground source I'll be there with my begging bowl.
Frankly even a mediocre heat pump can push more heat into a house than a perfect boiler given the same amount of gas to start with (because the gas being burnt in a power station is multiplied by the heat pump coefficient).

Not having appropriately sized radiators isn't a heat pump problem - although it is more noticeable at that point. Of course the real answer is to run the heat pump for longer, at an even lower power input.
"Experts say effective subsidies for new gas boilers run contrary to government targets on cutting greenhouse gas emissions"
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... boilers-uk
"UK’s home gas boilers emit twice as much CO2 as all power stations – study":
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ions-study

But I can't find the report...

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"Supercharging the Midlands"
"Overcoming the challenges of a rapid, region-wide roll out of electric vehicle charging infrastructure"

https://www.midlandsconnect.uk/media/17 ... cument.pdf

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Oldjohnw wrote: 1 Oct 2021, 9:04am They added an “E” to Blyth. Is that for electric.
The norwegian end is labelled kilovolt to start as well :p
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Jdsk wrote: 1 Oct 2021, 9:21am But I can't find the report...
Doesn't seem to be on their website (also who picked 'Possible' as their name? that's really not search engine friendly!). Articles failing to link to actual research really bug me.

The data also shows that home gas boilers collectively produce eight times as much nitrogen dioxide as the power plants. NO2 is an air pollutant linked to tens of thousands of early deaths a year in the UK.
Hmm, it's an old report (2004) but 'Nitrogen Dioxide in the United Kingdom' at https://uk-air.defra.gov.uk/research/aqeg/publications doesn't seem to reflect that. Obviously their 2020 figures are forecasts but for that statement to be true would suggest either/both a significant increase in domestic NO2 emissions or a much larger decrease in that from power stations. I don't know if that then draws further queries on possible's research, without knowing what data they've used and what they've done with it it's impossible to comment.

Diesel engines are the main culprits for NO2, particularly when looking at exposure rather than total emissions.
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2 GW interconnect between Normandy and Hampshire not permitted:
https://infrastructure.planninginspecto ... Letter.pdf
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-h ... e-60073706

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NB date.
Jdsk wrote: 28 Sep 2021, 5:08pm
Jdsk wrote: 4 Aug 2021, 9:58am Interconnects avoid using fossil fuel systems even when total demand is low... area averaging for solar and wind power, and different demand from even small differences in behaviour... massive live sporting events being the exception!

PS: Of course the UK's National Grid is an interconnect...
"It's an interconnect, Jim. but not as we know it!"
https://reneweconomy.com.au/massive-10- ... wer-to-uk/
"‘We’ve lost a year’: political turmoil delays UK-Sahara energy link":
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... nergy-link

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Just for fun we recently visited show homes on 3 nearby new estates and looked at details of 2 new estates where I used to live.

Every house had a gas boiler.

All the radiators were very small probably unsuitable for heat pumps.

Two of the most expensive houses had woodburning stoves and chimneys. They were the only ones with chimneys or fireplaces.

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al_yrpal wrote: 4 Dec 2022, 5:15pm Just for fun we recently visited show homes on 3 nearby new estates and looked at details of 2 new estates where I used to live.

Every house had a gas boiler.

All the radiators were very small probably unsuitable for heat pumps.

Two of the most expensive houses had woodburning stoves and chimneys. They were the only ones with chimneys or fireplaces.

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Were they also build of ticky-tacky, situated on flood plains and bereft of any supporting local services such as shops, doctors, police stations, public transport links and even enough roads for the probable 3 cars per household? I'm guessing that they're just feedstock for yet another middle class ghetto where the main hobby is falling out with the neighbours about who should park their BMW or Audi on this spot or that. :-)

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Jdsk wrote: 20 Jan 2022, 3:42pm 2 GW interconnect between Normandy and Hampshire not permitted:
https://infrastructure.planninginspecto ... Letter.pdf
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-h ... e-60073706
Application for judicial review granted:
https://aquind.co.uk/news/high-court-gr ... al-review/

I'll try and find out what's happened since June.

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Yes, they were ticky tacky, not a solid wall anywhere. Tiny gardens, limited parking. Far out from facilities and community centres. One estate had plans for local shops, park and ride, care home, its going to be 2500 houses. The others were smaller and didnt get their own infrastructure.
Around here, lots of open community spaces and good cycling and walking paths. New thing £1 bus fare anywhere in town.

About a mile from here a year ago on a recently built housing estate an ex Royal Marine commando stabbed a next door husband and wife to death in a parking dispute. He got more than 20 years.

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Jdsk wrote: 4 Dec 2022, 7:42pm
Jdsk wrote: 20 Jan 2022, 3:42pm 2 GW interconnect between Normandy and Hampshire not permitted:
https://infrastructure.planninginspecto ... Letter.pdf
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-h ... e-60073706
Application for judicial review granted:
https://aquind.co.uk/news/high-court-gr ... al-review/

I'll try and find out what's happened since June.
Two day hearing was held in November:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-h ... e-63716298

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