Moderates and Extremists
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"A former student who downloaded almost 70,000 white supremacist documents and bomb-making instructions has avoided a prison sentence “by the skin of his teeth” after being told to read classic literature by Dickens, Austen, Shakespeare and Hardy."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ace-prison
Unusual, but not particularly cruel.
Jonathan
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ace-prison
Unusual, but not particularly cruel.
Jonathan
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Sealink?
How long ago is that?
Finished in the mid 1980s if my memory serves me correctly.
You have to be a "certain age" to remember Sealink.
How long ago is that?
Finished in the mid 1980s if my memory serves me correctly.
You have to be a "certain age" to remember Sealink.
Mick F. Cornwall
Re: Moderates and Extremists
Jdsk wrote: ↑1 Sep 2021, 11:48am "A former student who downloaded almost 70,000 white supremacist documents and bomb-making instructions has avoided a prison sentence “by the skin of his teeth” after being told to read classic literature by Dickens, Austen, Shakespeare and Hardy."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ace-prison
Unusual, but not particularly cruel.
A good judge of law maybe, but not of literature. Any of Austen's other novels would be would be more appropriate than Pride and Prejudice. It could have been worse I suppose - he might have told him to read Middlemarch.After making John promise not to research any more rightwing material, the judge continued: “Have you read Dickens? Austen? Start with Pride and Prejudice and Dickens’ A Tale of Two Cities. Shakespeare’s Twelfth Night. Think about Hardy. Think about Trollope.
“On 4 January you will tell me what you have read and I will test you on it. I will test you and if I think you are [lying to] me you will suffer.”
Re: Moderates and Extremists
I suggest a political activist is an extremist when they adopt methods which lead others who share their broad goals to dissociate themselves from them.mikeonabike wrote: ↑8 Aug 2021, 6:41pmSo would you call a trainspotter "extremist" because after all it is not the normpwa wrote: ↑6 Aug 2021, 6:29am What I am trying to put over is the notion that the word "extremist" means "far removed from the norm", and people who fall into that category are usually a bit of a worry to others because they rock the boat. But the word "extremist" on its own does not tell you whether they are right or wrong.
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Perhaps you could say it is moderate to consider that immigration should be managed or even controlled.
And it is extremist to think that foreigners, especially those of a different colour, are inferior and should be either never be allowed in or if here should be expatriated.
And it is extremist to think that foreigners, especially those of a different colour, are inferior and should be either never be allowed in or if here should be expatriated.
John
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If he was black or brown and into Islamic extremism what might the sentence have been?Jdsk wrote: ↑1 Sep 2021, 11:48am "A former student who downloaded almost 70,000 white supremacist documents and bomb-making instructions has avoided a prison sentence “by the skin of his teeth” after being told to read classic literature by Dickens, Austen, Shakespeare and Hardy."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ace-prison
Unusual, but not particularly cruel.
Jonathan
John
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Hmmm.jgurney wrote: ↑2 Sep 2021, 7:04pmI suggest a political activist is an extremist when they adopt methods which lead others who share their broad goals to dissociate themselves from them.mikeonabike wrote: ↑8 Aug 2021, 6:41pmSo would you call a trainspotter "extremist" because after all it is not the normpwa wrote: ↑6 Aug 2021, 6:29am What I am trying to put over is the notion that the word "extremist" means "far removed from the norm", and people who fall into that category are usually a bit of a worry to others because they rock the boat. But the word "extremist" on its own does not tell you whether they are right or wrong.
It still leaves some huge subjective areas, but that's not a bad description.
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I like the idea of the threshold being defined by other people's reaction rather than some form of words.mattheus wrote: ↑3 Sep 2021, 1:27pmHmmm.jgurney wrote: ↑2 Sep 2021, 7:04pmI suggest a political activist is an extremist when they adopt methods which lead others who share their broad goals to dissociate themselves from them.mikeonabike wrote: ↑8 Aug 2021, 6:41pm So would you call a trainspotter "extremist" because after all it is not the norm
It still leaves some huge subjective areas, but that's not a bad description.
Jonathan
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""We have received a request for the sentence of Ben John to be considered under the unduly lenient sentence (ULS) scheme."slowster wrote: ↑2 Sep 2021, 5:39pmJdsk wrote: ↑1 Sep 2021, 11:48am "A former student who downloaded almost 70,000 white supremacist documents and bomb-making instructions has avoided a prison sentence “by the skin of his teeth” after being told to read classic literature by Dickens, Austen, Shakespeare and Hardy."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ace-prison
Unusual, but not particularly cruel.A good judge of law maybe, but not of literature. Any of Austen's other novels would be would be more appropriate than Pride and Prejudice. It could have been worse I suppose - he might have told him to read Middlemarch.After making John promise not to research any more rightwing material, the judge continued: “Have you read Dickens? Austen? Start with Pride and Prejudice and Dickens’ A Tale of Two Cities. Shakespeare’s Twelfth Night. Think about Hardy. Think about Trollope.
“On 4 January you will tell me what you have read and I will test you on it. I will test you and if I think you are [lying to] me you will suffer.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-l ... e-58425648
Jonathan
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I'd rather go to prisonJdsk wrote: ↑1 Sep 2021, 11:48am "A former student who downloaded almost 70,000 white supremacist documents and bomb-making instructions has avoided a prison sentence “by the skin of his teeth” after being told to read classic literature by Dickens, Austen, Shakespeare and Hardy."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ace-prison
Unusual, but not particularly cruel.
Jonathan
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No one who has ever stepped inside a prison would say that. I assume you have notHellhound wrote: ↑3 Sep 2021, 2:40pmI'd rather go to prisonJdsk wrote: ↑1 Sep 2021, 11:48am "A former student who downloaded almost 70,000 white supremacist documents and bomb-making instructions has avoided a prison sentence “by the skin of his teeth” after being told to read classic literature by Dickens, Austen, Shakespeare and Hardy."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ace-prison
Unusual, but not particularly cruel.
Jonathan
John
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Then you assume wrongOldjohnw wrote: ↑3 Sep 2021, 4:27pmNo one who has ever stepped inside a prison would say that. I assume you have notHellhound wrote: ↑3 Sep 2021, 2:40pmI'd rather go to prisonJdsk wrote: ↑1 Sep 2021, 11:48am "A former student who downloaded almost 70,000 white supremacist documents and bomb-making instructions has avoided a prison sentence “by the skin of his teeth” after being told to read classic literature by Dickens, Austen, Shakespeare and Hardy."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ace-prison
Unusual, but not particularly cruel.
Jonathan
I would rather go to prison than read any of that drivel
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You can lead an 'orse to water...
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