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This is the kind of thing we're up against:- https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/freedo ... -requests/

reohn2 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 9:31pm
I wondered how long before NK and China would come into it,you're predictably righwing Al.

...and you are predictably hard left from the Denis Skinner school if I am not mistaken and live somewhere where Torys dont exist...hence an echo chamber. All over the world political parties are influenced by lobbyists except in totalitarian states where independent thinking is banned. In Labours case its mainly the Union grandees. Good luck with the new party.

Al

al_yrpal wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 9:27am ..and you are predictably hard left from the Denis Skinner school if I am not mistaken and live somewhere where Torys dont exist...hence an echo chamber.

Well you're right about me being leftwing and I'm proud of it too
As for living in a Labour controlled constituency.I don't.I live in the Leigh constituency that voted Tory for the first time in it's history,look where it got those fools?

All over the world political parties are influenced by lobbyists except in totalitarian states where independent thinking is banned. In Labours case its mainly the Union grandees. Good luck with the new party.

Al

Well it's certainly better being run democratically by the people for the people than,by a miniscule number of millionaires and billionaires for a small number people some of whom don't even live here,as for their paying taxes here well that's another dodgy story.
BTW look where those millionaire's and billionaire's 'chosen one' along with his disciples have got the country to now owd lad!

The evidence is certainly accumulating that Mr Johnson wants no thinking other than his own.

Oldjohnw wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 9:46am The evidence is certainly accumulating that Mr Johnson wants no thinking other than his own.

And his thinking(as scum)is toxic for the rest of the body.

Seems like here we are again with comments so impassioned and forthright as to be just aggressive to those that don’t hold identical views. I’m totally puzzled why anyone would think such discourse constructive, indeed I find it the opposite.

Carlton green wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 7:45am Seems like here we are again with comments so impassioned and forthright as to be just aggressive to those that don’t hold identical views. I’m totally puzzled why anyone would think such discourse constructive, indeed I find it the opposite.

It all echos of the Red Robbo/Scargill/Skinner/Corbyn school of non politics. All loud mouthed aggressive bully boys as recently nicely demonstrated by Raynor. Many people clearly remember that time and wont vote for that sort of politics again. Foot recently shot in...

Al

al_yrpal wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 8:04am

Carlton green wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 7:45am Seems like here we are again with comments so impassioned and forthright as to be just aggressive to those that don’t hold identical views. I’m totally puzzled why anyone would think such discourse constructive, indeed I find it the opposite.

It all echos of the Red Robbo/Scargill/Skinner/Corbyn school of non politics. All loud mouthed aggressive bully boys as recently nicely demonstrated by Raynor. Many people clearly remember that time and wont vote for that sort of politics again. Foot recently shot in...

Al

‘They’, the hard left, will argue about stuff indefinitely, however Starmer does seem to have a bit of ‘common sense’ and pragmatism. Starmer understands that being in power is more helpful to Labour voters than being an unelected ‘party of protest’. IMHO Raynor is an absolute gift to the Tories, how pleased they must be to hear her shout her mouth off ‘cause (far too much of) what she says just provides them with ammunition.

How pleased were the Tories that Corbyn get to be the Labour leader? They were delighted and some even paid their money to be allowed to vote Corbyn in. You just couldn’t make up ...

al_yrpal wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 8:04am

Carlton green wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 7:45am Seems like here we are again with comments so impassioned and forthright as to be just aggressive to those that don’t hold identical views. I’m totally puzzled why anyone would think such discourse constructive, indeed I find it the opposite.

It all echos of the Red Robbo/Scargill/Skinner/Corbyn school of non politics. All loud mouthed aggressive bully boys as recently nicely demonstrated by Raynor. Many people clearly remember that time and wont vote for that sort of politics again. Foot recently shot in...

Al

^^^

Carlton green wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 7:45am Seems like here we are again with comments so impassioned and forthright as to be just aggressive to those that don’t hold identical views. I’m totally puzzled why anyone would think such discourse constructive, indeed I find it the opposite.

The country is going,sorry gone,to the dogs at the hands of selfseeking money grabbing scum that is the Tories but we must all remain calm and treat the government and their supporters with respect.
I have no respect for the scum that is the evil Tory party or their supporters,sorry an all that but a spade is a spade!

Yes, they did ! As you say yah boo politics is an athema to most people who dont appreciate gutter behavior. The foul mouthed Catherine Tate Gran resemblance has not escaped peoples notice either She has made a lasting bad impression and represents Labours left wing nicely. Something most people will fear and never elect.

Al

al_yrpal wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 9:37am Yes, they did ! As you say yah boo politics is an athema to most people who dont appreciate gutter behavior. The foul mouthed Catherine Tate Gran resemblance has not escaped peoples notice either She has made a lasting bad impression and represents Labours left wing nicely. Something most people will fear and never elect.

Al

I've just looked at her 'profile' on Wikki there's no mention of any connection with the Labour party,it would appear you've been reading the rightwing press again and regurgitated their conclusions about Angela Rayner in connection with a fictitious charachter played by Catherine Tate.
I'm a fraid Angela Rayner may be too real for some but she's a real person who's familier with spades and naming them,she also knows what it's like to be without,unlike the unreal Tory government curremtly running the country into the ground for their own profit.

PS after reading The Telegragh,try reading The Morning Star to balance things up a bit,the truth's somewhere in the middle of the two

I dont read any press. I can just imagine you leaning against the bar up the club noisingly spouting bully boy nonsense to a few acolytes whilst the rest of the bar try to studiously ignore it. Tate, erm I mean Raynor is a gift to the Torys!

Al

al_yrpal wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 9:58am I dont read any press. I can just imagine you leaning against the bar up the club noisingly spouting bully boy nonsense to a few acolytes whilst the rest of the bar try to studiously ignore it. Tate, erm I mean Raynor is a gift to the Torys!

Al

Yeah right,first hit on google:- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/polit ... la-rayner/

I don't go to a "club" and I'm not a bully or spout bully boy tactics to anyone,I deplore bullies and take offence at the remark of calling me a bully.
Next you'll be complaining people are "berating you" is it any wonder?.
The way to stand up to bullies is to face them down and name them for what they are,in this case the scum the Tory party is,is a truth that holds firm.

Keep digging

Al