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Re: Go Angela,my kind of woman!
Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 12:29pm
by PH
Mike Sales wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 11:44am
Angela Rayner is no doubt provoked by the cuts to the income of the poorest which will put large numbers of children into poverty, harming their chances in life.
If the intention was to highlight that story, which needs it, then she failed, the story has become the language she used.
Or maybe her intention was to make herself the story, raise her profile and distance herself from the current leader, in which case she's succeeded.
However much anyone dislikes Boris, he is a master at this (Or his advisors are) say the most dishonest and repugnant things, make a non apology apology and the story moves on. Those he was aiming to please know he meant what he said and not the apology, those who object look petty for not accepting the apology.
Re: Go Angela,my kind of woman!
Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 12:30pm
by merseymouth
Oh my, I just wish that I had received a £20 per week lift in my reduced pension :
, even if it was for a limited period only!
With the suspension of the triple lock on pensions I think I'll not find it cushy from now on.
Of course as I'm hanging on to my existence by an NHS thread it mightn't be a long struggle
. MM
Re: Go Angela,my kind of woman!
Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 12:41pm
by Mike Sales
PH wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 12:29pm
Mike Sales wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 11:44am
Angela Rayner is no doubt provoked by the cuts to the income of the poorest which will put large numbers of children into poverty, harming their chances in life.
If the intention was to highlight that story, which needs it, then she failed, the story has become the language she used.
Or maybe her intention was to make herself the story, raise her profile and distance herself from the current leader, in which case she's succeeded.
However much anyone dislikes Boris, he is a master at this (Or his advisors are) say the most dishonest and repugnant things, make a non apology apology and the story moves on. Those he was aiming to please know he meant what he said and not the apology, those who object look petty for not accepting the apology.
I think you will find that Rayner has said plenty about why these cuts are nasty.
It is foreseeable that the Tories and their press would be glad to seize on a single, justifiable if emotional, word to divert attention from the more important content.
There is no need to impugn her motives.
Re: Go Angela,my kind of woman!
Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 12:52pm
by PH
Mike Sales wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 12:41pm
I think you will find that Rayner has said plenty about why these cuts are nasty.
OK, forget the media bias, have a scroll down this forum and find where we're talking about that rather than this story.
It is foreseeable that the Tories and their press would be glad to seize on a single, justifiable if emotional, word to divert attention from the more important content.
Well if you and I can foresee that, you'd expect a competent politician to be able to. I don't think I've impugned her motives, it's politics, she didn't accidentally make that speech, as you say the reaction was foreseeable. IMO she'd have done better to make the point, a half hearted apology for the language and move on.
Re: Go Angela,my kind of woman!
Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 1:04pm
by Mike Sales
PH wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 12:52pm
Mike Sales wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 12:41pm
I think you will find that Rayner has said plenty about why these cuts are nasty.
OK, forget the media bias, have a scroll down this forum and find where we're talking about that rather than this story.
It is foreseeable that the Tories and their press would be glad to seize on a single, justifiable if emotional, word to divert attention from the more important content.
Well if you and I can foresee that, you'd expect a competent politician to be able to.
The rather hypocritical Tory fuss has been all over their press and the broadcast media, and their sympathisers have been glad to talk up the trivial rather than the real issue.
Perhaps we should now talk about what these cuts will do to the most vulnerable, rather than get involved in an unimportant, confected hoo-ha.
Is the moral to draw that politicians should not tell the truth as they see it? She has rather closer experience of the effects of Tory cuts than most politicians, which must be a good thing. Politicians are often accused of ignorance of the real world. I find it easy to forgive her strong word.
Re: Go Angela,my kind of woman!
Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 1:08pm
by Jdsk
Mike Sales wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 1:04pmPerhaps we should now talk about what these cuts will do to the most vulnerable...
Yes.
Jonathan
Re: Go Angela,my kind of woman!
Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 1:18pm
by Mike Sales
Jdsk wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 1:08pm
Mike Sales wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 1:04pmPerhaps we should now talk about what these cuts will do to the most vulnerable...
Yes.
Jonathan
With Conservatives from across the party pressing for a compromise deal this weekend as ministers face a potential Commons revolt, the Observer has seen new analysis that suggests the impact of the £20-a-week cut could be severe with energy costs and food prices rising.
It finds that the extra support protected some 840,000 people from poverty in the second quarter of this year. The research from the Legatum Institute thinktank includes 290,000 children – a figure that is causing particular concerns among Tories, who fear a significant increase in child poverty after the cut. The figure includes extra universal credit help given to the self-employed.
It seems that not all Tories are scum, merely those in the Government.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... son-warned
Re: Go Angela,my kind of woman!
Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 4:26pm
by Oldjohnw
Starmer today: “My father was a toolmaker. In a way, so was Boris Johnson’s.”
Re: Go Angela,my kind of woman!
Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 5:49pm
by reohn2
NATURAL ANKLING wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 11:17am
Hi,
reohn2 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 10:16pm
simonineaston wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 9:53pm
Her heart-felt 'criticism' is exactly the same as the thoughts I've had in private and in public, on many an occasion, when faced with the lastest antics, hypocrisy and venal bloodsucking that's the norm for many members of the Tory party. I can get away with it 'cos I'm a nobody. Unfortunately, there are rules that are best stuck to, up there in the rareified atmosphere of public party politics and, with a little help from a glass or two, they got broke... wouldn't be the first or the last time - it was the Romans who coined the phrase, "in vino veritas".
Were I a gambling man I'd wager many,many people would have the same thoughts as your good self after the past decade of Tory rule but far more after the past two years of utter lunacy and lies!
Was it any different under labour?
We all know that politics is a very emotional subject.
I still say that because of the friction of hard left and unions in the labour party which Starmer is coming up against.
Why not start a new party?
If he doesn't do this if somebody doesn't do this I feel very quickly Starmer will be replaced.
If you didn't know already,the Labour party is the political wing of the Trade Unions,they formed it and they finance it for the good of the many.
That's obvious and simple to understand.
In the same way the rich and powerful fund the Tory party for their own interests.
That's also obvious and simple to understand.
Re: Go Angela,my kind of woman!
Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 5:58pm
by Oldjohnw
Corbyn supporter on radio:
"All Starmer wants is the votes that went from Labour to the Tories."
That's the post.
Re: Go Angela,my kind of woman!
Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 6:00pm
by reohn2
Mike Sales wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 1:04pmPerhaps we should now talk about what these cuts will do to the most vulnerable...
Quite!
It's why Angela Rayner called the Tories scum and she was spot on!
Re: Go Angela,my kind of woman!
Posted: 30 Sep 2021, 5:13am
by pwa
I did think of you when I heard what she had said
It made me laugh. It may not be tactful or polite, but she is honest and passionate, so I don't think it will do her or Labour any harm.
Re: Go Angela,my kind of woman!
Posted: 30 Sep 2021, 6:12am
by pete75
Oldjohnw wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 8:56am
Why should Starmer descend to such language as Johnson and Rayner employ?
He is scum, mind you.
Starmer may not follow your brand of politics but he certainly isn't scum.
Re: Go Angela,my kind of woman!
Posted: 30 Sep 2021, 6:16am
by Oldjohnw
pete75 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 6:12am
Oldjohnw wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 8:56am
Why should Starmer descend to such language as Johnson and Rayner employ?
He is scum, mind you.
Starmer may not follow your brand of politics but he certainly isn't scum.
I hope you realise I meant Johnson. There is a name for the English error I made there, confusing verb subjects. A misplaced modifier?
“Why should Starmer descend……..employ?”
“Johnson is scum, mind you.”
Re: Go Angela,my kind of woman!
Posted: 30 Sep 2021, 8:49am
by reohn2
pwa wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 5:13am
I did think of you when I heard what she had said
It made me laugh. It may not be tactful or polite, but she is honest and passionate, so I don't think it will do her or Labour any harm.
Thanks I'll take that as a complement
And I agree I don't think it will do her any harm either.