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Oldjohnw wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 6:16amThere is a name for the English error I made there, confusing verb subjects. A misplaced modifier?

It's one of the many types of pronoun-antecedent problems. There's a simple but incomplete rule that the referent is the immediately preceding head noun phrase. But it's a lot more interesting than that, and not a bad way into Chomskyan linguistics.

Jonathan

Jdsk wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 8:54am

Oldjohnw wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 6:16amThere is a name for the English error I made there, confusing verb subjects. A misplaced modifier?

It's one of the many types of pronoun-antecedent problems. There's a simple but incomplete rule that the referent is the immediately preceding head noun phrase. But it's a lot more interesting than that, and not a bad way into Chomskyan linguistics.

Jonathan

Absolutely:-)

Oldjohnw wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 9:03am

Jdsk wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 8:54am

Oldjohnw wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 6:16amThere is a name for the English error I made there, confusing verb subjects. A misplaced modifier?

It's one of the many types of pronoun-antecedent problems. There's a simple but incomplete rule that the referent is the immediately preceding head noun phrase. But it's a lot more interesting than that, and not a bad way into Chomskyan linguistics.

Jonathan

Absolutely:-)

Gentlemen,scum means scum

It amuses me that the objection seems to be to the word scum, she also called them: homophobic, racist, misogynistic, absolute vile. Maybe they accept those. It reminds me of Dennis Skinner calling an MP in the HoC a "pompous sod" and when asked to withdraw the comment withdrew "pompous" but couldn't withdraw both.
As to whether it's done her any harm, I'm not sure. In the short term it's raised her profile, amused a few, rallied the troops and been a refreshing change from the bland Starmer. If she ever wants the electorate to consider her a suitable PM, this is how the Tories will portray her, I think it will put some people off, even if they agree with the sentiment.

Hi,

Jdsk wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 1:08pm

Mike Sales wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 1:04pmPerhaps we should now talk about what these cuts will do to the most vulnerable...

Yes.

Jonathan

Cuts or raise taxes?
Which do you choose.

NATURAL ANKLING wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 11:10am Hi,

Jdsk wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 1:08pm

Mike Sales wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 1:04pmPerhaps we should now talk about what these cuts will do to the most vulnerable...

Yes.

Cuts or raise taxes?
Which do you choose.

First we should accept what the effects will be of the increase in energy and food prices, the cuts in Universal Credit payments, and the increases in the income tax known as National Insurance. There's not much point in further discussion if those are denied.

Then I'll go for higher taxation. And improved productivity.

Jonathan

NATURAL ANKLING wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 11:10am Cuts or raise taxes?
Which do you choose.

That's the thinking that led us to ten years austerity, do you think that worked?

It's a bit unusual for a politician to be so forthright with total honesty.

It's far more controversial to see the BBC (the Brexit Bullshiting Corporation) so keen and diligent to defend the rights of this racist, misogynist, and homophobe sad joke of a PM, and not to mention the wall to wall murder clowns in his cabinet of scum.

Hi,

PH wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 11:44am

NATURAL ANKLING wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 11:10am Cuts or raise taxes?
Which do you choose.

That's the thinking that led us to ten years austerity, do you think that worked?

So what's the alternative?
I realise that at all levels of administration there are favourites that will have, then the rest have not.................benefits of any description.
In politics, they like to pose for pictures with beaming smiles next to what they are promoting, the receivers are happy for now, but all is forgotten later on when the idea fails.

Our local council has been in the news of late, waste collection failing.
It wasn't long ago when I received leaflets and remember the percentage they are recycling stamped on the lorries.
The current contractor will go come Xmas if they don't improve.
This morning after some weeks of intermittent collection..........................a truck turns up and empties all three recycling boxes that we are forced to sort................into back of a refuse tailgate compactor

What on earth are we paying for, only to be kicked in the teeth and wasting our time sorting our rubbish................

Thats politics.

Better services and efficient too.
How do you get that without money?
Change the party in gov at the mo maybe................which knocks on down the line into local devolved councils, that in turn change ideas policies and contractors.

In the end it comes down to wrong people wrong job.

Austerity might be in some minds a dirty word but what's the alternative when finance fails.........spend....spend...spend

NATURAL ANKLING wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 4:30pm Hi,

PH wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 11:44am

NATURAL ANKLING wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 11:10am Cuts or raise taxes?
Which do you choose.

That's the thinking that led us to ten years austerity, do you think that worked?

So what's the alternative?

...

Austerity might be in some minds a dirty word but what's the alternative when finance fails.........spend....spend...spend

Be prepared to borrow money when it's needed. Avoid the flawed analogy with household finances.

And increase productivity.

Jonathan

Add "Don the rose tinted spectacles and keep everything crossed"! MM

NATURAL ANKLING wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 4:30pm Hi,

PH wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 11:44am

NATURAL ANKLING wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 11:10am Cuts or raise taxes?
Which do you choose.

That's the thinking that led us to ten years austerity, do you think that worked?

So what's the alternative?

We have a choice in society of either deciding what we want and then working out how to finance it, or setting out a budget and choosing what we spend it on. Keynesian or monetarist, it's the biggest political divide, bigger than the left/right debate, it transcends parties. These are largely political rather than economic decisions, driven by ideology, emotion rather than facts.
Cuts V's taxes is the wrong question, my point about austerity was that we had the cuts and didn't save any money, pain without the gain, it was a fiction, the idea that if it hurt it must be good for us... Even a large proportion of the Tory Party disagree with withdrawing the Universal Credit uplift at this time, even Ian Duncan Smith! It's the wrong thing to do, we can afford it, it isn't a financial necessity to do it, it's a political decision.
No one wants to pay more tax than they have to, this UC change is according to reports likely to put 290,000 (Edit; That's 290,000 children) into poverty, no one wants that either. I know which I'd like to see at the top of the list.

PH wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 5:34pm

NATURAL ANKLING wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 4:30pm Hi,

PH wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 11:44am
That's the thinking that led us to ten years austerity, do you think that worked?

So what's the alternative?

We have a choice in society of either deciding what we want and then working out how to finance it, or setting out a budget and choosing what we spend it on. Keynesian or monetarist, it's the biggest political divide, bigger than the left/right debate, it transcends parties. These are largely political rather than economic decisions, driven by ideology, emotion rather than facts.
Cuts V's taxes is the wrong question, my point about austerity was that we had the cuts and didn't save any money, pain without the gain, it was a fiction, the idea that if it hurt it must be good for us... Even a large proportion of the Tory Party disagree with withdrawing the Universal Credit uplift at this time, even Ian Duncan Smith! It's the wrong thing to do, we can afford it, it isn't a financial necessity to do it, it's a political decision.
No one wants to pay more tax than they have to, this UC change is according to reports likely to put 290,000 into poverty, no one wants that either. I know which I'd like to see at the top of the list.

quite!


Me too!

reohn2 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 6:40pm

PH wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 5:34pm No one wants to pay more tax than they have to, this UC change is according to reports likely to put 290,000 into poverty, no one wants that either. I know which I'd like to see at the top of the list.

quite!

Me too!

I've edited the post you've quoted, it should read that it puts 290,000 extra children into poverty, I expect the number of adults is higher.
I've also read that it's likely to lead to many evictions for non payment of rent, that's all the Tories doing, they've set a rent allowance for those on benefits that isn't related to what they have to pay.

PH wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 8:15pm

reohn2 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 6:40pm

PH wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 5:34pm No one wants to pay more tax than they have to, this UC change is according to reports likely to put 290,000 into poverty, no one wants that either. I know which I'd like to see at the top of the list.

quite!

Me too!

I've edited the post you've quoted, it should read that it puts 290,000 extra children into poverty, I expect the number of adults is higher.
I've also read that it's likely to lead to many evictions for non payment of rent, that's all the Tories doing, they've set a rent allowance for those on benefits that isn't related to what they have to pay.

I haven't seen the same report,but that's far worse,though nothing would surprise me what the Nasty party can and will do.