Drink driving et cetera - When is enough enough ?

[reohn2]

This business about driving while disqualified is particularly worrying. How prevalent is it? One would have thought and hoped that "a driving ban means a driving ban", end of.

See my edit

Maybe all motor vehicles need something like a fingerprint or iris scanner - and a direct link to the DVLA to check up on the driver. Perhaps one day that will happen...

It ain't going to happen any time soon,what's needed is a policeforce that works.
The Tories reduced policeforce numbers by 20,000 and police support staff by 23,000+ as well a politicising policing by elected( )police commissioners.
The effect is no or very few police on the streets.
Need I remind anyone that when the cat's away the mice will play?

And people are concerned about a Labour MP complaining about the government by calling them scum

[NATURAL ANKLING]

Hi,

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Definitely a long ban is needed , And no getting back on the road until it can be seen they have changed their ways permanently.
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But given it seems she was already banned and must have felt her ban (and lack on any insurance) should not stop her driving, how would more bans work? She'll just drive again (no license, no insurance) when she feels like it. Is there any way to enforce punishment and public safety under such circumstances?

Edit: Only thing I can think of is for repeat offenses make the upper limit of find e.g. 20% of income+assets+everything. (or higher or minimum rather than maximum).

Ian

Yes I agree with you, it needs to have teeth!
But this person already has bankruptcy problems, so could claim they have no money to take.
I think any jail time to stop someone like this, and if it doesn't they have to go back again?

[NATURAL ANKLING]

Hi,

Who is Katie Price aka Jordon?
Never heard of her.


Yes ............. I know I could Google her, but why bother?
Obviously some celeb who no-one would be interested in if they didn't buy a tabloid newspaper ...................

Not necessarily the person but the principle of the way they can duck and dive so much for 20 years and get away with it.

Just a lads mag glamour model.
But they could be a filmstar footballer somebody's somebody's relation or a politician.
But money enough to bail them out of any problems.

Overexposed
Requires constant attention
Overpaid
Over there somewhere.

[Jdsk]

I think any jail time to stop someone like this, and if it doesn't they have to go back again?

That would be very expensive. What would be the objectives: protection of others during the incarceration, punishment, rehabilitation to reduce the likelihood of future offending... ?

Thanks

Jonathan

[Pebble]

Seems to be cocaine involved as well! , I utterly despair that we have people like this on the roads. If driving bans won't stop someone, then the only solution is for them to spend the driving ban in prison.

To be clear, you would incarcerate someone for the duration of their driving ban?

If someone has a history of drving whilst disqualified then yes, and more so if that person has a history of drink & drug driving - how else can you ensure the safety of other road users. ?

[Jdsk]

This business about driving while disqualified is particularly worrying. How prevalent is it? One would have thought and hoped that "a driving ban means a driving ban", end of.

Maybe all motor vehicles need something like a fingerprint or iris scanner - and a direct link to the DVLA to check up on the driver. Perhaps one day that will happen...

Alcohol interlocks are in the EU safety roadmap:
https://etsc.eu/eu-vehicle-safety-propo ... interface/

And the briefing paper:
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_saf ... colocks_en

And I think that driver identification is in there, but I can't find it...

Jonathan

[thirdcrank]

One problem with driving under the influence of drink or drugs is that they tend to reduce the inhibitions which keep most people on the strait and narrow, ie the deterrent effect of the risk of punishment dwindles. This defendant must now be facing the real possibility of imprisonment, but to what purpose and at what cost? Although there are several offences originating from this crash, it was only one incident so any sentences would normally be concurrent and we are talking about a max of six months and generally less. Reduce that by half (?) for normal remission and it's only a few weeks. I suspect it's unlikely to be long enough for any proper rehabilitation so we are left with cold turkey or whatever it's called then release. The extent of the public protection of short prison sentence is not great.

[NATURAL ANKLING]

Hi,

This business about driving while disqualified is particularly worrying. How prevalent is it? One would have thought and hoped that "a driving ban means a driving ban", end of.

Maybe all motor vehicles need something like a fingerprint or iris scanner - and a direct link to the DVLA to check up on the driver. Perhaps one day that will happen...

Then, And off course we have the technology today, the roads will be very very quiet would'nt they............The morning after!

[reohn2]

I think any jail time to stop someone like this, and if it doesn't they have to go back again?

That would be very expensive. What would be the objectives: protection of others during the incarceration, punishment, rehabilitation to reduce the likelihood of future offending... ?

Thanks

Jonathan

Also I believe she has five children not too good for them if she's in jail,though I suppose it could be argued they'd be better off without an alcoholic drug addict mother bringing them up.

[Pebble]

Edit: Only thing I can think of is for repeat offenses make the upper limit of find e.g. 20% of income+assets+everything. (or higher or minimum rather than maximum).

Ian

problem when there are no asserts
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity- ... s-24702828

[thirdcrank]

If technology is the answer, then something measuring fitness to drive might be better than a link to the DVLA, but I fear that like most security devices there would be way round.

[reohn2]

If technology is the answer, then something measuring fitness to drive might be better than a link to the DVLA, but I fear that like most security devices there would be way round.

IMHO anything electronic can be bypassed if you're willing to pay enough on the blackmarket/under the counter/back street electronics wizards.

[NATURAL ANKLING]

Hi,

I think any jail time to stop someone like this, and if it doesn't they have to go back again?

That would be very expensive. What would be the objectives: protection of others during the incarceration, punishment, rehabilitation to reduce the likelihood of future offending... ?

Thanks

Jonathan

Also I believe she has five children not too good for them if she's in jail,though I suppose it could be argued they'd be better off without an alcoholic drug addict mother bringing them up.

My thoughts exactly (spot-on)

[jb]

They should be made to paint railings - miles of them.

[Stevek76]

It ain't going to happen any time soon,what's needed is a policeforce that works.
The Tories reduced policeforce numbers by 20,000 and police support staff by 23,000+ as well a politicising policing by elected( )police commissioners.
The effect is no or very few police on the streets.
Need I remind anyone that when the cat's away the mice will play?

Don't forget that the justice system is pretty much on its last legs so many cases take years to even get heard.

But they've slightly increased a few sentences and introduced a few new criminal offences (when updating the sentencing guidelines would have done) so you know 'tough on crime!!!'