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Hi,
You heard it here first, well sort of

That Riddler cider must have gone to their heads!!

City?

Define "city".
Usually has a cathedral, and is a town created as a city by charter.
Needs a city council and a mayor as well as (maybe) a Lord Mayor.

UK's most southerly city is Truro.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-59571276

Mick F wrote: ↑8 Dec 2021, 1:41pm City?

Define "city".
Usually has a cathedral, and is a town created as a city by charter.
Needs a city council and a mayor as well as (maybe) a Lord Mayor.

When we had a Department of Constitutional Affairs they said:

"City status is a rare mark of distinction granted by the Sovereign and conferred by Letters Patent. It is granted by personal Command of The Queen, on the advice of Her Ministers. It is for Her Majesty The Queen to decide when a competition for city status should be held. Competitions are usually held on occasions such as important Royal anniversaries."

There are probably several different "definitions" in practice.

Jonathan

Mick F wrote: ↑8 Dec 2021, 1:41pm City?

Define "city".
Usually has a cathedral, and is a town created as a city by charter.
Needs a city council and a mayor as well as (maybe) a Lord Mayor.

UK's most southerly city is Truro.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-59571276

A city has a royal charter saying so if I recall correctly... nothing to do with cathedrals, councils or mayors.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/what-makes-a-city/

Well, not far from us lies the village of Cuckfield*, which may not be a city but it is an Independent State. At least, according to its inhabitants. See here. It's a bit larger than Marazion at around 3500 inhabitants - but not that big.

*The first syllable is pronounced 'cook'.

Well my vote would be for Port Stanley. They have the cathedral already so part way there, and you can't get much further South.

Unless there are several (equally) most southerly UK cities, then the description "UK's smallest most southerly city" makes no sense.

DaveReading wrote: ↑8 Dec 2021, 9:04pm Unless there are several (equally) most southerly UK cities, then the description "UK's smallest most southerly city" makes no sense.

I see what you mean.

The BBC News article had "smallest and most southerly city in the UK".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-59571276

There's an interesting style used in American English headlines of "UK's Smallest, Most Southerly City", meaning that it's both.

Jonathan

Maybe they'll declare St.Michaels mount a cathedral and charge an extra 2 quid to rip the tourists off?

From that article, I quote:
The chair of the Marazion Chamber of Commerce, Paul Elliott, said "Achieving city status would further raise the profile of Marazion, stimulate local businesses and prosper the community in the immediate locality and beyond."
Classic public relations speak with no supportable evidence included. Has he a plan to find somewhere to put another car park to serve the extra visitors? I can assure you that there simply isn’t anywhere. Perhaps being honest and saying “Getting onside would do my ego and income prospects the world of good” doesn’t quite fit the role.

... prosper the community ....

Is that a loose translation from Kernewek?

(It's intransitive in English, I think.)

thirdcrank wrote: ↑8 Dec 2021, 10:16pm

... prosper the community ....

Is that a loose translation from Kernewek?

(It's intransitive in English, I think.)

Yes, much more commonly used as intransitive nowadays, but plenty of historical examples as transitive... Wiktionary gives Cranmer, Marlowe and Dryden. I'll see if the OED has anything on frequency.

Jonathan

Jdsk wrote: ↑8 Dec 2021, 10:28pm

thirdcrank wrote: ↑8 Dec 2021, 10:16pm

... prosper the community ....

Is that a loose translation from Kernewek?

(It's intransitive in English, I think.)

Yes, much more commonly used as intransitive nowadays, but plenty of historical examples as transitive... Wiktionary gives Cranmer, Marlowe and Dryden. I'll see if the OED has anything on frequency.

OED: "Now rare".

Jonathan

Jdsk wrote: ↑9 Dec 2021, 8:56am

Jdsk wrote: ↑8 Dec 2021, 10:28pm

thirdcrank wrote: ↑8 Dec 2021, 10:16pm

Is that a loose translation from Kernewek?

(It's intransitive in English, I think.)

Yes, much more commonly used as intransitive nowadays, but plenty of historical examples as transitive... Wiktionary gives Cranmer, Marlowe and Dryden. I'll see if the OED has anything on frequency.

OED: "Now rare".

Jonathan

I remember the phrase "Prosper the Bonaventure" (referring to a smugglers' ship) in the children's swashbuckling novel Moonfleet*, which I read as a teen. I must have thought that usage rather archaic, but then it fits the 18th-century setting of the story.

*Not to be confused with The Moonstone, an entirely different book - though both stories revolve around a stolen diamond...