Can the Met be trusted?

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Jdsk
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Someone has seen the next report:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -to-change

"Lady Casey will criticise the force for failing to tackle its problems despite decades of warnings from previous official reports, and she will illustrate her findings with damning new case studies."

Jonathan
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Jdsk wrote: 17 Mar 2023, 8:51am Someone has seen the next report:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -to-change

"Lady Casey will criticise the force for failing to tackle its problems despite decades of warnings from previous official reports, and she will illustrate her findings with damning new case studies."

Jonathan
The least surprising report of a decade of unsurprising reports.
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djnotts wrote: 17 Mar 2023, 9:20am
Jdsk wrote: 17 Mar 2023, 8:51am Someone has seen the next report:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -to-change

"Lady Casey will criticise the force for failing to tackle its problems despite decades of warnings from previous official reports, and she will illustrate her findings with damning new case studies."

Jonathan
The least surprising report of a decade of unsurprising reports.
From a couple of hundred miles away, oop North, as everybody knows the problems, the need now is for solutions. As an earlier Vladimir famously said "What is to be done?" Any sort of fundamental reorganisation of the Met is beyond the authority of the Commissioner (as opposed to all the other commissioners) not least because a reorganisation of the Met would affect policing throughout the country.

Do the insiders have any insights into this report's recommendations for change?
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thirdcrank wrote: 17 Mar 2023, 9:56amDo the insiders have any insights into this report's recommendations for change?
The recommended actions in the interim report
https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets ... ssible.pdf
include:

... they must include action:
• To reduce the time taken for cases to be resolved;
• To investigate and remove more repeat offenders;
• To bring more offences, particularly relating to discrimination and sexual misconduct, within the remit of ‘Gross Misconduct’ and dismissal;
• To bring in more human resource expertise to support the misconduct process;
• To review the use of Regulation 13;
• To better support PSUs to effectively resolve more cases at a local level; and
• To review and reduce the disproportionality throughout the system.

A piecemeal approach to these issues is unlikely to work. Radical and wholesale reform of the system is required to increase both public confidence in the Met and internal confidence in the misconduct process. Accountability for achieving them also needs to be held at the highest level of the Met.


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Jdsk wrote: 17 Mar 2023, 10:09am
thirdcrank wrote: 17 Mar 2023, 9:56amDo the insiders have any insights into this report's recommendations for change?
The recommended actions in the interim report
https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets ... ssible.pdf
include:

... they must include action:
• To reduce the time taken for cases to be resolved;
• To investigate and remove more repeat offenders;
• To bring more offences, particularly relating to discrimination and sexual misconduct, within the remit of ‘Gross Misconduct’ and dismissal;
• To bring in more human resource expertise to support the misconduct process;
• To review the use of Regulation 13;
• To better support PSUs to effectively resolve more cases at a local level; and
• To review and reduce the disproportionality throughout the system.

A piecemeal approach to these issues is unlikely to work. Radical and wholesale reform of the system is required to increase both public confidence in the Met and internal confidence in the misconduct process] Accountability for achieving them also needs to be held at the highest level of the Met.
(My bold)

Jonathan
IMO doomed to failure, then. (As already explained - action needs to be taken at a higher level imo)
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Please listen to Joy Hendrick,black woman ex Met Police officer of 18 years,story of misogyny and racism,on a daily basis as she tells her story on LBC,and how she's still being ignored by the Met police complaints and corruption system:- https://youtu.be/4K8jTMGM0Bw
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Transfer the "bad apples" to West Mercia, they'll fit in just fine.

"PC who repeatedly struck ex-footballer Dalian Atkinson on the night he was killed by her colleague has been found guilty of gross misconduct.

Mary Ellen Bettley-Smith hit the former Aston Villa striker six times with her baton as he lay on the ground in 2016.

A disciplinary panel decided the West Mercia Police officer used excessive force, but ruled she could keep her job and gave her a final written warning."

Gross misconduct? Written warning. Unbelievable for any job except a copper
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djnotts
Incredible innit?
Proven gross misconduct of that nature in any other profession would surely mean instant dismissal.
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reohn2 wrote: 18 Mar 2023, 9:24am djnotts
Incredible innit?
Proven gross misconduct of that nature in any other profession would surely mean instant dismissal.
More likely summary dismissal (we've discussed this before, I remember :lol: )

But yes, I was surprised to read that decision in the context of a proven assault on a by then defenceless man, given the nature of a police officer's role, and the unusual level of trust that must be vested in them to perform their duties.
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Bonefishblues wrote: 18 Mar 2023, 9:57am
reohn2 wrote: 18 Mar 2023, 9:24am djnotts
Incredible innit?
Proven gross misconduct of that nature in any other profession would surely mean instant dismissal.
More likely summary dismissal (we've discussed this before, I remember :lol: )
Whatever,one thing's for sure she isn't fit to serve as a police officer
But yes, I was surprised to read that decision in the context of a proven assault on a by then defenceless man, given the nature of a police officer's role, and the unusual level of trust that must be vested in them to perform their duties.
And think of the message this case sends out to other dodgey serving police officers, of which there appears to be too many. :?
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reohn2 wrote: 18 Mar 2023, 10:14am
Bonefishblues wrote: 18 Mar 2023, 9:57am
reohn2 wrote: 18 Mar 2023, 9:24am djnotts
Incredible innit?
Proven gross misconduct of that nature in any other profession would surely mean instant dismissal.
More likely summary dismissal (we've discussed this before, I remember :lol: )
Whatever,one thing's for sure she isn't fit to serve as a police officer
But yes, I was surprised to read that decision in the context of a proven assault on a by then defenceless man, given the nature of a police officer's role, and the unusual level of trust that must be vested in them to perform their duties.
And think of the message this case sends out to other dodgey serving police officers, of which there appears to be too many. :?
I think it highlights the need for reform throughout the police service, not just in the Met, which has been under particular scrutiny.
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West Mercia Police statement:
https://www.westmercia.police.uk/news/w ... nson-died/

IOPC statement:
https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/w ... n-atkinson

I can't find a fuller report from the disciplinary panel: anyone?

Jonathan

PS: She had previously been acquitted on the criminal charge of assault.
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Jdsk wrote: 18 Mar 2023, 10:23am West Mercia Police statement:
https://www.westmercia.police.uk/news/w ... nson-died/

IOPC statement:
https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/w ... n-atkinson

I can't find a fuller report from the disciplinary panel: anyone?

Jonathan

PS: She had previously been acquitted on the criminal charge of assault.
It should be noted that this was a matter of employment law, not criminal law, as Jonathan mentioned her previous acquittal.

I have never seen the Police National Guidelines mentioned in one of those statements, but as a general tenet of employment law, a dismissal could still be fully justifiable, even if a separate criminal trial had resulted in acquittal.
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Bonefishblues wrote: 18 Mar 2023, 10:19am I think it highlights the need for reform throughout the police service, not just in the Met, which has been under particular scrutiny.
Yer not wrong!
Along with our politrickal system
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Bonefishblues wrote: 18 Mar 2023, 10:19am
I think it highlights the need for reform throughout the police service, not just in the Met, which has been under particular scrutiny.
The investigation was conducted by the IOPC. Are you suggesting they need reforming as well ? How about the court process who found her not guilty of assault ? How would reforming the Police service impact these decisions ?
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