War on Our Doorstep: How do we respond?

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DaveReading
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Wenagade wrote: 26 Apr 2022, 9:05am Im just glad the world has insurance from the presentation of democracy & despite withdrawing from stan i hope the taliban can still provide poppy stuff for pain killers significantly for to fat people without bikes & sugar addiction for brainwashing the people that fat is bad.

Its quite simple we in the the west are saviours & Russia & China are the ones to fear & we should spend our money on hellfire missiles & not bikes for encouraging people not to rob bikes.

Although China & Russia have to catch up to invade the number of countries that we have under dubios content.

At least the Russian people will suffer resulting & the Americans can provide fraked oil over the cleaner extracted gas from the east.

&:Ukraine stuck in the middle of all this game playing over what should be common sense & decency threw leadership not OCD controll.

Then US can spend the profits dealing with fat people & purchasing more missiles for foreign policy think-tanks.

99 pages that im not going to read because their based on the news which proclaims freedom of speech a bastion & now RT has been taken down & we can just listen 24/7 to one side immersed until people on forums rekon NATO provides insurance ! from consciousness brain storming creation warped reality exceptance so far removed from the truth that those who speak it are then persucuted by those who deplore persucution.

Same applies to vaccine autonomy of body so wake
up or carryon doing their jobs for them for free via driving false narrative's from said media manipulation & mind programming.

Least nicol oh renah tesla looks to make twitter welcome for all views bar som, because that's freedom of speech not it beings usurped by fancy language as if it's importance is not really being degraded by woke subterfuge.

Europe needs to decide its own energy & defence policy.

God knows ...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_to_come
Thank you for describing the view from La La Land.
UpWrong
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I believe Trolls inhabit La La Land. Maybe they should all move to Russia if they want to be brainwashed forever by RT.
Wenagade
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You would of HAD to of watched RT & BBC ABC in equal amounts est over a prelonged period ...

& la la land is precisely what this failing world has unbecoming especially since 1984.

The TV programs the people who have all been programmed to be ' human ' & then said human conditioning has people told they have disorders.

& then swathes willingly line up for booster vaccines despite vaccines NEVER correlated to unvaxed elimination & such confidence that farmer gains immunity from prosecution @ the same time as mandatory jabs being driven by the very conflict of interests that are supposed to be challenged by ' democracy ' ...

So yes la la land is very complicated as is the metaphysical dualism of creation & reality in a world of engineered physical realms as if that's the reality.

& trolling , no thank God for for youtube where there's thousands of knowledgeable people who can enlighten the masses if they wasn't busy working for energy rises from wars or watching talentless celebrities gurning on papers for loadsa money for no apparent reasun but to take up precious time, itself another programme because things existed before we called it time, just as were sure lions are lions over fantastic beasts & where bonds pry dem.

As for the devine matrix don't be absurd ' science ' has a magic big bang wand that is used like a men in black forget device & in no time atal forums are littered with people ' a french coined of 1066 ' & convinced their human & God's asto the altamate authority became ridicule the fear of said prevent & purgatory over any spell on earth as it is in heaven.

& that is that, seriously i won't be adding more to this debate as its the year of stop being to fat @ my humble obode & the descent on forums is like a pub game of paintball without the washing machine.

& because people in general think it's me that's mad !

I feel strongly reference freedom of speech & weather to be ' herd ' is walking thread into road film 2012, join the awakening for ignorance is bliss for many reasuns but insurance from NATO is certainly not it fcs.

Its certain people with language who twist the truth & with & by words, but there is always dilution but for the truth.
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DaveReading
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I tried putting the previous post into Google Translate. My laptop is now a smouldering wreck.
pwa
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DaveReading wrote: 26 Apr 2022, 9:46pm I tried putting the previous post into Google Translate. My laptop is now a smouldering wreck.
:lol:
mattheus
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DaveReading wrote: 26 Apr 2022, 9:46pm I tried putting the previous post into Google Translate. My laptop is now a smouldering wreck.
:D

Google often struggles with cyrillic texts, things like that. I think this is on another level ...
Ben@Forest
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The below is part of a much longer article in Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. It's about violence in Russian society, especially that when you're out of Western Russia. The author, from the far east of Russia was indecently assaulted, and only just escaped being raped, there when she was 16. She now lives in Berlin.

Where do the Russian soldiers committing atrocities in Ukraine come from? They come from a society where violence is the norm and empathy causes almost physical pain. Where if you are not a rapist then you are a victim. This violence comes from misery, envy and hatred, from the collapse of industry and the economy, from the lack of social institutions and functioning democracy. From a time of beginnings that was not a new beginning, but from the decayed state body of the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" beat the capital of freedom and the capital of corruption without separating the two from each other. The violence comes from a time when babies could be bought cheaply on the black market, when alcoholic mothers would sell a newborn to beggars for a bottle of vodka. These babies died fast.

The militia of that time knew this and got their share of the business. Today, of course, all this has taken on a different dimension, the beggars with the babies have disappeared. Bandits went to the police, cops became bandits, and they all became businessmen, politicians, and MPs. When we recall what was done to protesters in Belarus in 2020 and in Russia over the past fifteen years, there are no more questions about brutality. Women and men were not only tortured, they were raped at police stations, in prison vans and in prisons. And no one was punished for it.
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Ben
I sobering story though not entirely surprising in the least.
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Marcus Aurelius
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reohn2 wrote: 30 Apr 2022, 8:58am Ben
I sobering story though not entirely surprising in the least.
It’s also totally fake propaganda.
reohn2
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Marcus Aurelius wrote: 30 Apr 2022, 4:47pm
reohn2 wrote: 30 Apr 2022, 8:58am Ben
I sobering story though not entirely surprising in the least.
It’s also totally fake propaganda.
Really,how's that then?
Or are you playing DA?
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Ben@Forest
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Marcus Aurelius wrote: 30 Apr 2022, 4:47pm
reohn2 wrote: 30 Apr 2022, 8:58am Ben
I sobering story though not entirely surprising in the least.
It’s also totally fake propaganda.
At the end of the article is says this:

The author, Irina Rastorguyeva, born in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, lives in Berlin. Her book “The Russian Simulacrum” will be published by Matthes & Seitz soon.

I would expect her book will have been checked to some level of likelihood and accuracy. And her article is far from the only one which has reported on Russian brutality and corruption in the further remote reaches of the country.
Jdsk
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RUSI report: "Operation Z. The Death Throes of an Imperial Delusion":
https://static.rusi.org/special-report- ... -z-web.pdf

Recommended.

Jonathan
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Over recent years I seem to be increasingly thinking that if an alien species were out there watching what is going on on Earth what would they think? A bit "The Day The Earth Stood Still". You could understand them sending in a Gort.

And it's not just Putin & Russia. Is there any way of interpreting out behaviour as anything other than extreme stupidity. Wars (for ego massaging), destroying the environment we depend on, failing to provide food & water to those in need, failing to provide basic medical care to those dying of easily treatable conditions, overpopulation whilst Governments seek to boost their birth rates for economic reasons, etc.

Ian
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Psamathe wrote: 11 May 2022, 11:56am Over recent years I seem to be increasingly thinking that if an alien species were out there watching what is going on on Earth what would they think? A bit "The Day The Earth Stood Still". You could understand them sending in a Gort.

And it's not just Putin & Russia. Is there any way of interpreting out behaviour as anything other than extreme stupidity. Wars (for ego massaging), destroying the environment we depend on, failing to provide food & water to those in need, failing to provide basic medical care to those dying of easily treatable conditions, overpopulation whilst Governments seek to boost their birth rates for economic reasons, etc.
A planet-wide view with a timescale well beyond the news cycle would show a decline in the number of wars, in the number of people killed by violence and starvation and poor sanitation, and in maternal and and neonatal mortality, and an increase in human rights, life expectancy and democratic government. These are all capable of measurement, they have been measured, and the results are available.

This is not an attempt to underestimate the improvements we could and should be making. It's very sad to see what's happening in Ukraine (and in the UK) but with an appropriate timescale and a planet-wide view a lot of things have got a lot better. And we know why.

Jonathan
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reohn2
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All that said humanity has never ever been in a more precarious position with abiliy to wipe out the planet's life form in a matter of weeks,maybe even days.
Even a smaller nuclear strike could leave the majority of humanity suffering and dying over a period of months or years.
As I've posted many time on the forum,human unkind is a very clever species indeed,where it lacks miserably is wisdom and it's profit in the shape of wealth and power that prevents wisdom flourishing.
One only need look at the affluence of those that have made £billions upon £billion out of war,oil and gas to realise humanity has a serious flaw in it's charachter.
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