War on Our Doorstep: How do we respond?

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Hope the 3 prisoners who got the death sentence are swopped quickly for Russian ones in fair exchange. The Russians are clearly in breach of the Geneva convention but what else to do
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briansnail wrote: 12 Jun 2022, 3:18pm Hope the 3 prisoners who got the death sentence are swopped quickly for Russian ones in fair exchange. The Russians are clearly in breach of the Geneva convention but what else to do
Apparently mercenaries are not covered by the Geneva convention. Whether or not they are all mercenaries is a moot point.
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pete75 wrote: 12 Jun 2022, 3:22pm Apparently mercenaries are not* covered by the Geneva convention. Whether or not they are all mercenaries is a moot point.
I used to think this was straightforward - but I've just done a quick google, and it turns out you're right - VERY moot!

*Incidentally, google tells me that injured mercenaries ARE protected by Geneva. Another thing that might play out differently in practice to theory ...
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pete75 wrote: 12 Jun 2022, 3:22pm
briansnail wrote: 12 Jun 2022, 3:18pm Hope the 3 prisoners who got the death sentence are swopped quickly for Russian ones in fair exchange. The Russians are clearly in breach of the Geneva convention but what else to do
Apparently mercenaries are not covered by the Geneva convention. Whether or not they are all mercenaries is a moot point.
Why is it moot?

"While mercenaries are not entitled to POW status, the fact that Aslin and Pinner are officially members of the Ukrainian armed forces means that they are not mercenaries. Indeed, Aslin reportedly holds Ukrainian nationality."

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-bri ... ons-184777
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"The European Commission recommends to Council confirming Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia's perspective to become members of the EU and provides its opinion on granting them candidate status":
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pressco ... ip_22_3790

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One aspect to Russia'a behaviour that I find amazing is e.g.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/20/russia-condemns-lithuania-transit-ban-some-goods-kaliningrad wrote:Russia condemns Lithuania transit ban on some goods to Kaliningrad
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Russia’s foreign ministry said Vilnius must reverse the “openly hostile” move.
Calling Russia's invasion and destruction in Ukraine "openly hostile" would be something of an understatement. Even if Lithuania's move is "openly hostile" (which I'd certainly question) does Russia this it is the only country in the world allowed to behave in an "openly hostile manner". Does Russia really expect to do what it's doing in Ukraine and have every other country ignore and do nothing?

When I was very young my Dad used to regularly show me an ornament he has which was engraved "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and it's stuck with me. Russia behaves like it has and expects nobody to respond with a trivial fraction of the same back again.

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I must say the EU is very good with the Ukranian coloured suit. Are they on general issue over there?

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The EU and Ukraine:

Euromaidan in 2013:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan

The 2014 Association Agreement
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/sites/defaul ... eement.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ ... _Agreement

EU support to Ukraine in response to the Russian invasion:
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pressco ... FS_22_3862

"The European Commission recommends to Council confirming Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia's perspective to become members of the EU and provides its opinion on granting them candidate status":
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pressco ... ip_22_3790

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Jdsk wrote: 20 Jun 2022, 3:56pm The EU and Ukraine:

Euromaidan in 2013:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan

The 2014 Association Agreement
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/sites/defaul ... eement.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ ... _Agreement

EU support to Ukraine in response to the Russian invasion:
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pressco ... FS_22_3862

"The European Commission recommends to Council confirming Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia's perspective to become members of the EU and provides its opinion on granting them candidate status":
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pressco ... ip_22_3790
And in addition to the support for Ukraine there are the sanctions against Russia:

"Timeline - EU restrictive measures against Russia over Ukraine":
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/poli ... r-ukraine/

"EU sanctions against Russia explained":
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/poli ... explained/

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al_yrpal wrote: 20 Jun 2022, 3:47pm I must say the EU is very good with the Ukranian coloured suit. Are they on general issue over there?

Al
Any word on whether Ukraine has applied to join the UKraine as well as the EU?
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thirdcrank wrote: 21 Jun 2022, 11:13am
al_yrpal wrote: 20 Jun 2022, 3:47pm I must say the EU is very good with the Ukranian coloured suit. Are they on general issue over there?

Al
Any word on whether Ukraine has applied to join the UKraine as well as the EU?
A bit off-topic but on TV a few days ago (when the refugees to Rwanda was still news), TV news was interviewing a charity worker based on the French coast and they asked "what should UK do to stop the rubber dinghies?" and her reply "easy, treat the refugees the same way as those refugees from Ukraine".

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Psamathe wrote: 21 Jun 2022, 11:23amA bit off-topic but on TV a few days ago (when the refugees to Rwanda was still news), TV news was interviewing a charity worker based on the French coast and they asked "what should UK do to stop the rubber dinghies?" and her reply "easy, treat the refugees the same way as those refugees from Ukraine".
Yes, that's a great way for revealing and exploring our own views, sentiments and prejudices.

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Jdsk wrote: 20 Jun 2022, 3:56pm The EU and Ukraine:

Euromaidan in 2013:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan

The 2014 Association Agreement
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/sites/defaul ... eement.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ ... _Agreement

EU support to Ukraine in response to the Russian invasion:
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pressco ... FS_22_3862

"The European Commission recommends to Council confirming Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia's perspective to become members of the EU and provides its opinion on granting them candidate status":
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pressco ... ip_22_3790
And the next step...

"Invitation letter by President Charles Michel to the members of the European Council ahead of their meeting on 23 and 24 June 2022":
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/pres ... june-2022/
includes:

"Now is the time to acknowledge that the future of Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia lies within the EU. I will invite you to grant candidate status to Ukraine and Moldova. In parallel, we will continue to provide Ukraine with strong humanitarian, military, economic and financial support."

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Any guesses as to the very generous benefactor who paid £103 million dollars for the Nobel medal on auction?. Gates, Warren Buffet maybe
Equally impressive was the anonymous way whoever donated. Of course Ukrainian children will benefit. Good people about,
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briansnail wrote: 21 Jun 2022, 1:18pm Any guesses as to the very generous benefactor who paid £103 million dollars for the Nobel medal on auction?. Gates, Warren Buffet maybe
Equally impressive was the anonymous way whoever donated. Of course Ukrainian children will benefit. Good people about,
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Difficult to guess. I think those like Gates (and many others) would just give if they wanted to support a cause and would not do so through bidding on an item (i.e. they'd give without wanting to take the medal). I suspect a fair number of prominent billionaires could be eliminated as possibilities as they'd have made sure their PR teams were briefing everybody, articles written about what they'd done, Social Media bots set-off publicising their generosity ...

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