Festival of Brexit

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Psamathe
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Re: Festival of Brexit

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Interesting how Jacob Rees-Mogg is still spouting unthuths about EU and Brexit.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-jacob-rees-mogg-eu-regulations-b2041259.html wrote:Jacob Rees-Mogg says his vision for Brexit is scrapping ‘gold-plated’ EU regulations
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"What is the vision in terms of Brexit opportunities, is that ... we should get rid of the unnecessary, often gold-plated regulation that the European Union imposed upon us," Mr Rees-Mogg told the public administration select committee.
...
I cannot believe he does not know that the UK added "gold-plating" to EU regulations often taking that step beyond.

But maybe more worrying is that those EU regulations are often there to protect the public e.g. toxic chemicals in the environment that help company profits whilst poisoning us and the environment, regulations that prevent workers being exploited, etc.

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pete75
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Re: Festival of Brexit

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Stradageek wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 10:47am
Cyclo2022 wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 9:37am Lol.....I am 55 a white male but I don't know why you are bringing race into it probably because you are a left wing luvvie and furthermore plenty of non white people voted Brexit. I voted Labour all of my life and live in the North West of England.....You ain't very good at characterising a person my friend 🤣
Ah they joys of statistics, I was merely using the demographic splits from the referenced research, and with a correlation factor less than 0.8 I was always out on a limb there :)

Any comment on denying the under 30's the very different future they voted for?
Not so wrong - almost all the North West is in the southern half of the UK. He says he voted Labour but said in another post "Starmer is a true Nutter and so is the party that he supposedly runs. I would rip up or delete all correspondence you get from those idiots....." . I guess from this highly intelligent comment he is not a Labour voter an dyou were most likely correct with the Tory voter suggestion.
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Cyclo2022
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Re: Festival of Brexit

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pete75 wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 2:45pm
Stradageek wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 10:47am
Cyclo2022 wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 9:37am Lol.....I am 55 a white male but I don't know why you are bringing race into it probably because you are a left wing luvvie and furthermore plenty of non white people voted Brexit. I voted Labour all of my life and live in the North West of England.....You ain't very good at characterising a person my friend 🤣
Ah they joys of statistics, I was merely using the demographic splits from the referenced research, and with a correlation factor less than 0.8 I was always out on a limb there :)

Any comment on denying the under 30's the very different future they voted for?
Not so wrong - almost all the North West is in the southern half of the UK. He says he voted Labour but said in another post "Starmer is a true Nutter and so is the party that he supposedly runs. I would rip up or delete all correspondence you get from those idiots....." . I guess from this highly intelligent comment he is not a Labour voter an dyou were most likely correct with the Tory voter suggestion.
I said North West England...doh!. And I am an ex Labour voter, but have not voted for them since the Racist Corbyn took over them and would not vote for them whilst Captain Hindsight Starmer is at the helm. It seems that you think you know everything about me but in reality you know diddly squat. Any way I am finished with this thread were everyone wants to rerun the referendum which ain't happening, so you need to get used to the fact that you lost and get on with your life and stop moaning and crying. Celebrate the Festival of Britain...🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧😉
Jdsk
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Cyclo2022 wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 4:35pmAny way I am finished with this thread were everyone wants to rerun the referendum which ain't happening, so you need to get used to the fact that you lost and get on with your life and stop moaning and crying.
Who has referred to rerunning the referendum, please?

I think that the most common recent theme is the requests to you to describe the benefits that you have experienced: four, five, ten, an omelette's worth, any...

Jonathan
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Jules59 wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 1:00pm I asked my PhD research scientist son about "Quantum Strategy".

He replied "quantum computing, superconductors and other specialist material science, stuff George does. as a country we're actually quite ahead with that sort of stuff, but it's not a Brexit benefit, we've just made it harder for ourselves to recruit and keep talent" (sic)
The damage to our scientific and technological research and development is massive. And this is a crucial sector where the UK has enormous competitive advantage. And the knock-on damage to high-level manufacturing will follow.

It's also highly intertwined with tertiary education, where we're taking a big hit. And an area in which we are genuinely world-leading, see any league table of universities.

Jonathan
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Cyclo 2022
The fact that you're "done with this thread" implies you have no answers to the questions asked of you,
So please,oh please,name some brexit goodies.
You could if you would but you don't implies you can't so you don't.

The forum is littered with brexit bygones who can't or won't name "diddle squat" what is a benefit,
and what is not.
You really are a naughty boy who likes to toy and be so coy,
about brexit's pride and joy
But your Labour voting ploy won't work on this thread which you've cast aside old boy.

Please oh please be a good lad and tell us all the very good,
but don't forget the very bad,
otherwise we'll all be sad.
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Cyclo2022 wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 12:20am ...because of Brexit are a true Democracy again ...
Is it really a true democracy when the majority of those actually voting did not vote for the party gaining the largest number of seats ?
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Jdsk wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 4:47pm
Jules59 wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 1:00pm

It's also highly intertwined with tertiary education, where we're taking a big hit. And an area in which we are genuinely world-leading, see any league table of universities.

Jonathan
In my son's field of biogeochemical oceanography they are struggling to fill vacancies generated by EU scientists moving abroad after the Brexit vote and retirements. Our education system doesn't seem to be generating candidates with the right skills.
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I find it incredible that those who were doing all the crowing about how good brexit was going to be,now we're out can't come up with decent argument for it!

In the case of our fellow forum member cyclo2022 as I recall he's had three posts removed by moderators for his outright racist posts,I s'pose it fits really.......
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Jdsk wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 4:47pm
Jules59 wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 1:00pm I asked my PhD research scientist son about "Quantum Strategy".

He replied "quantum computing, superconductors and other specialist material science, stuff George does. as a country we're actually quite ahead with that sort of stuff, but it's not a Brexit benefit, we've just made it harder for ourselves to recruit and keep talent" (sic)
The damage to our scientific and technological research and development is massive. And this is a crucial sector where the UK has enormous competitive advantage. And the knock-on damage to high-level manufacturing will follow.

It's also highly intertwined with tertiary education, where we're taking a big hit. And an area in which we are genuinely world-leading, see any league table of universities.

Jonathan
Are those tables accurate? Looking at them I find it hard to believe there are no good universities in countries like France and Germany. Top French university comes in at 44th and top German at 127th.
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reohn2 wrote: 23 Mar 2022, 8:44am I find it incredible that those who were doing all the crowing about how good brexit was going to be,now we're out can't come up with decent argument for it!

In the case of our fellow forum member cyclo2022 as I recall he's had three posts removed by moderators for his outright racist posts,I s'pose it fits really.......
Oh yes but remember it's like the war in the Ukraine according to the Bresiter's Prime Minister. This former president of the Ukraine has a different view.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 41815.html
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pete75 wrote: 23 Mar 2022, 8:49am
Jdsk wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 4:47pm
Jules59 wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 1:00pm I asked my PhD research scientist son about "Quantum Strategy".

He replied "quantum computing, superconductors and other specialist material science, stuff George does. as a country we're actually quite ahead with that sort of stuff, but it's not a Brexit benefit, we've just made it harder for ourselves to recruit and keep talent" (sic)
The damage to our scientific and technological research and development is massive. And this is a crucial sector where the UK has enormous competitive advantage. And the knock-on damage to high-level manufacturing will follow.

It's also highly intertwined with tertiary education, where we're taking a big hit. And an area in which we are genuinely world-leading, see any league table of universities.
Are those tables accurate? Looking at them I find it hard to believe there are no good universities in countries like France and Germany. Top French university comes in at 44th and top German at 127th.
There are lots of different rankings from different organisations.

But they typically show three or four UK universities in the top 10.

And very few from France or Germany in the top 20 or 30 or 40. Who can name any that they haven't been involved with personally other than the Sorbonne? (And that's mostly from cultural rather than academic associations!)

But I totally disagree that that means that that "there are no good universities" there. Many are excellent.

Jonathan
pete75
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Jdsk wrote: 23 Mar 2022, 8:55am
pete75 wrote: 23 Mar 2022, 8:49am
Jdsk wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 4:47pm
The damage to our scientific and technological research and development is massive. And this is a crucial sector where the UK has enormous competitive advantage. And the knock-on damage to high-level manufacturing will follow.

It's also highly intertwined with tertiary education, where we're taking a big hit. And an area in which we are genuinely world-leading, see any league table of universities.
Are those tables accurate? Looking at them I find it hard to believe there are no good universities in countries like France and Germany. Top French university comes in at 44th and top German at 127th.
There are lots of different rankings from different organisations.

But they typically show three or four UK universities in the top 10.

And very few from France or Germany in the top 20 or 30 or 40. Who can name any that they haven't been involved with personally other than the Sorbonne? (And that's mostly from cultural rather than academic associations!)

But I totally disagree that that means that that "there are no good universities" there. Many are excellent.

Jonathan
I think you mean have rather than haven't. My wife did her masters at the University of Nice. She says the teaching etc was just as good as at Leeds, where she did her first degree, and the location infinitely better.
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pete75 wrote: 23 Mar 2022, 9:06am
Jdsk wrote: 23 Mar 2022, 8:55am
pete75 wrote: 23 Mar 2022, 8:49am Are those tables accurate? Looking at them I find it hard to believe there are no good universities in countries like France and Germany. Top French university comes in at 44th and top German at 127th.
There are lots of different rankings from different organisations.

But they typically show three or four UK universities in the top 10.

And very few from France or Germany in the top 20 or 30 or 40. Who can name any that they haven't been involved with personally other than the Sorbonne? (And that's mostly from cultural rather than academic associations!)

But I totally disagree that that means that that "there are no good universities" there. Many are excellent.
I think you mean have rather than haven't.
Thanks.

I meant "haven't". I was suggesting that if they don't have a personal association most people in the UK couldn't name a university in France or Germany other than the Sorbonne.

Jonathan
pete75
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Re: Festival of Brexit

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Jdsk wrote: 23 Mar 2022, 9:10am
pete75 wrote: 23 Mar 2022, 9:06am
Jdsk wrote: 23 Mar 2022, 8:55am
There are lots of different rankings from different organisations.

But they typically show three or four UK universities in the top 10.

And very few from France or Germany in the top 20 or 30 or 40. Who can name any that they haven't been involved with personally other than the Sorbonne? (And that's mostly from cultural rather than academic associations!)

But I totally disagree that that means that that "there are no good universities" there. Many are excellent.
I think you mean have rather than haven't.
Thanks.

I meant "haven't". I was suggesting that if they don't have a personal association most people in the UK couldn't name a university in France or Germany other than the Sorbonne.

Jonathan
Eh? It's easy to name loads of universities in France or Germany. Just pick the name of almost any largeish city and precede it with University of.
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