Festival of Brexit

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Cyclo2022 wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 9:07pmThe benefits are on the way if the Tories get their finger out and implement article 16.
I'm assuming that's Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol rather than of the European Convention on Human Rights.

What would you like to replace it with concerning trade in and out of Northern Ireland? And what benefits would your replacement bring to whom?

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Cyclo2022 wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 9:07pm I see there are still a multitude of moaning remainers in this country. The benefits are on the way if the Tories get their finger out and implement article 16. I love being out of the Facist, beauracratic EU and all true Britons should embrace and celebrate our Independence. So move on and stop moaning as there is nothing more to see here.....🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧😉
I was hoping you’d come back and tell us what benefits you’d experienced but I see now that we’ve not had any but they are on the way.
While we wait can you explain why you echo Putin and clarify what a "true Briton" is. Do you think I may have been an alien these last 70 years?
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Paulatic wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 9:36pm
Cyclo2022 wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 9:07pm I see there are still a multitude of moaning remainers in this country. The benefits are on the way if the Tories get their finger out and implement article 16. I love being out of the Facist, beauracratic EU and all true Britons should embrace and celebrate our Independence. So move on and stop moaning as there is nothing more to see here.....🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧😉
I was hoping you’d come back and tell us what benefits you’d experienced but I see now that we’ve not had any but they are on the way.
While we wait can you explain why you echo Putin and clarify what a "true Briton" is. Do you think I may have been an alien these last 70 years?
This post shows me that you haven't done any research on Brexit at all, and to say there have been no benefits is totally ridiculous and it is a statement that comes straight out of the BBC or the Guardian. If I listed all of the benefits here it would take me an age to do but if you Google "The Benefits of Brexit" you will find a long list of advantages that this country has gained since leaving the anti democratic EU. I have nothing against any person who voted to remain, but the type of person who wants to reverse the result and refuses to move on make my skin crawl. We now because of Brexit are a true Democracy again and it would be democratic for the people to have another referendum to re join but that can only happen in another 40 years plus time so good luck with that one.....😉
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Cyclo2022 wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 12:20am ........ If I listed all of the benefits here it would take me an age to do.....
Just name four major real gains for the UK leaving the EU and how the EU isn't democratic?

We now because of Brexit are a true Democracy again
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Cyclo2022 wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 12:20am [

This post shows me that you haven't done any research on Brexit at all, and to say there have been no benefits is totally ridiculous and it is a statement that comes straight out of the BBC or the Independant. If I listed all of the benefits here it would take me an age to do but if you Google "The Benefits of Brexit" you will find a long list of advantages that this country has gained since leaving the anti democratic EU. I have nothing against any person who voted to remain, but the type of person who wants to reverse the result and refuses to move on make my skin crawl. We now because of Brexit are a true Democracy again and it would be democratic for the people to have another referendum to re join but that can only happen in another 40 years plus time so good luck with that one.....😉
Clearly my assumption the Benefits of living in the sunlight uplands would be obvious was wrong and what I should do is research it.
Following your advice my top hit from Google is a 105 page document from the U.K. Cabinet Office with a foreword from a proven liar. Followed by hyperbole and visions with no comparison or reference to what we’ve lost. All of it possible because of one big lie
the Campaign Director of Vote Leave, Dominic Cummings, admitted:

“Would we have won without £350m/NHS? All our research and the close result strongly suggests no.”
To be honest I’m not going to read it all. I’ve browsed into a couple of headings I’m familiar with but that wasn’t too good for my blood pressure. I realise it’s onerous for you to list all the benefits. It would suffice my curiosity if you just listed the top ten, or even five, that you’ve experienced as a positive benefit to you.
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Cyclo2022 wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 12:20am This post shows me that you haven't done any research on Brexit at all, and to say there have been no benefits is totally ridiculous and it is a statement that comes straight out of the BBC or the Independant. If I listed all of the benefits here it would take me an age to do but if you Google "The Benefits of Brexit" you will find a long list of advantages that this country has gained since leaving the anti democratic EU. I have nothing against any person who voted to remain, but the type of person who wants to reverse the result and refuses to move on make my skin crawl. We now because of Brexit are a true Democracy again and it would be democratic for the people to have another referendum to re join but that can only happen in another 40 years plus time so good luck with that one.....😉
I'd recommend reading Rule Britannia: Brexit and the End of Empire, the synopsis of which is:

Things fall apart when empires crumble. This time, we think, things will be different. They are not. This time, we are told, we will become great again. We will not. In this new edition of the hugely successful Rule Britannia, Danny Dorling and Sally Tomlinson argue that the vote to leave the EU was the last gasp of the old empire working its way out of the British psyche. Fuelled by a misplaced nostalgia, the result was driven by a lack of knowledge of Britain’s imperial history, by a profound anxiety about Britain’s status today, and by a deeply unrealistic vision of our future.

If the authors are correct there is a good chance that Cyclo2022 is a white male, middle aged+, middle class Tory voter from the southern half of the UK who has destroyed the social democratic dreams of the UK's under 30's who overwhelmingly voted remain.
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Stradageek wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 8:38am ......If the authors are correct there is a good chance that Cyclo2022 is a white male, middle aged+, middle class Tory voter from the southern half of the UK .......
In fairness he could be from anywhere.....
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Stradageek wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 8:38am
Cyclo2022 wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 12:20am This post shows me that you haven't done any research on Brexit at all, and to say there have been no benefits is totally ridiculous and it is a statement that comes straight out of the BBC or the Independant. If I listed all of the benefits here it would take me an age to do but if you Google "The Benefits of Brexit" you will find a long list of advantages that this country has gained since leaving the anti democratic EU. I have nothing against any person who voted to remain, but the type of person who wants to reverse the result and refuses to move on make my skin crawl. We now because of Brexit are a true Democracy again and it would be democratic for the people to have another referendum to re join but that can only happen in another 40 years plus time so good luck with that one.....😉
If the authors are correct there is a good chance that Cyclo2022 is a white male, middle aged+, middle class Tory voter from the southern half of the UK who has destroyed the social democratic dreams of the UK's under 30's who overwhelmingly voted remain.
Lol.....I am 55 a white male but I don't know why you are bringing race into it probably because you are a left wing luvvie and furthermore plenty of non white people voted Brexit. I voted Labour all of my life and live in the North West of England.....You ain't very good at characterising a person my friend 🤣
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Apropos Brexit:

"All right, I can see the broken eggs. Now where's this omelette of yours?"

( Victor Serge on the Stalinist regime after visiting Russia - entirely appropriate for our beloved Tory errr ........................ )
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Cyclo2022
Any answers to the questions I asked?
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Cyclo2022 wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 9:37am Lol.....I am 55 a white male but I don't know why you are bringing race into it probably because you are a left wing luvvie and furthermore plenty of non white people voted Brexit. I voted Labour all of my life and live in the North West of England.....You ain't very good at characterising a person my friend 🤣
Ah they joys of statistics, I was merely using the demographic splits from the referenced research, and with a correlation factor less than 0.8 I was always out on a limb there :)

Any comment on denying the under 30's the very different future they voted for?
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reohn2 wrote: 22 Mar 2022, 9:52am Cyclo2022
Any answers to the questions I asked?
But he's right, there really are lots of brexit benefits, they're in Ireland, Belgium, France, Germany, Spain, and USA mainly, but lots of other counties have also benefited by gaining trade that has been lost in Britain due to Brexit. However there are no brexit benefits in Britain and it's clear now there never will be, it's the nature of the beast.
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I would think one of the marvellous attractions at the Festival of Brexit will be examining the wonders of Off Shore Accountancy...
How much money is stashed offshore? It's impossible to know for sure (that's part of the point: it's secret, nothing to see here, please move along.) French economist Gabriel Zucman estimates that the equivalent 10% of global GDP is held offshore – about $5.6 trillion. U.S. economist James Henry estimates as much as $32 trillion.
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Carlton green wrote: 17 Mar 2022, 9:39am
I reckon that a lot of people will be similarly minded to yourself, I certainly am. A case of dammed if you do and dammed if you don’t.
Indeed I think you are correct. Unfortunately we have thrown the baby out with the bathwater and we can only blame a succession of UK Governments for not using their veto as the EU evolved in a direction not supported by the UK majority.
Of course, now, we have absolutely no say in what goes on with our largest single trading partner.
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I asked my PhD research scientist son about "Quantum Strategy".

He replied "quantum computing, superconductors and other specialist material science, stuff George does. as a country we're actually quite ahead with that sort of stuff, but it's not a Brexit benefit, we've just made it harder for ourselves to recruit and keep talent" (sic)

George (aka Georgina) is his very clever friend.
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