P&O Ferries

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I'm not sure why you keep returning to the point about independent advice.

It is entirely usual for employers to fund the legal advice given to employees by a lawyer of the employee's choice. P&O would not release funds to employees who did not have their settlement agreements countersigned by a qualified individual.

Anyone who wished to pursue an ET claim would obviously not sign, and would receive statutory payments only, gambling that they could receive a higher payment by bringing an unfair dismissal claim. However the reality is that the company massively inflated the payments as here:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... ed-workers

I expect that almost everyone signed, given the financial imperatives everyone has.

I note that in the article it mentions that the company also made an additional payment as compensation for failure to consult.
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Crawf0rd wrote: 10 Apr 2022, 2:02pm I have repeated myself, I know, I could not find my previous post.

But did the employees have the advantage of independent legal advice? If they didn't they are free to go to ET.

And yes I am making a claim as I was holed up in a hotel in Rotterdam for two days on my way back from Krakow. As I am on chemo for a serious, inoperable cancer and was running low on my medication I was beginning to get worried. What if I left my hotel, drove to Calais and still failed to cross? P&O sold me my ticket Sunday 13th March. They therefore well knew that they were selling me a useless piece of paper, but said nothing. It is not easy to find accommodation in the dark in a dockland suburb of Rotterdam when v tired after a 24 hour drive.
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Jdsk wrote: 25 Mar 2022, 11:25pm
Jdsk wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 10:21am
PedallingSquares wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 10:18amI wonder if the Ferry ports could ban P&O owned craft from docking and thus making the company unable to offer a service?
There might be major regulatory concerns about the safety implications of replacing so many officers and crew at once.
"P&O ferry detained over crew training concerns, says coastguard agency":
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ard-agency
"Another P&O Ferries vessel has been detained after surveyors identified “a number of deficiencies”, casting doubt on the firm’s plans to restart the Dover-Calais route before Easter.

"The Spirit of Britain, which is based at Dover, has been detained by the Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) and will not be released until a further inspection is carried out."


https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... identified

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Remind me, how good is a business tactic where you pick a fight with a regulator who can shut you down?
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Different regulator, but your point is well made
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"The Spirit of Britain, which is based at Dover, has been detained by the Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) and will not be released until a further inspection is carried out."[/i]
Probably retained for a renaming: "The Spirit of Brexit Britain"

Ship renaming ceremony:

Remove the current name.
Begin the purging ceremony of forcibly manhandling the old crew off the ship.
Begin the renaming ceremony.
Appease the four wind gods of Johnson, Gove, Rees-Moog, and Fartage.
Make a sacrifice - 800 sacked workers will do.
Complete the ceremony with a bottle of Bollinger, to be drunk at a No.10 party.
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A bit worrying that there seem to have been several instances where P&O wanted to run ferries that the regulator considered unsafe. what does that say about the company and its attitude to crew and passengers!

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Bonefishblues wrote: 13 Apr 2022, 1:04pm Different regulator, but your point is well made
I thought I read it here, but it seems not: P&O also picked a fight with the MCA by disregarding its guidance saying a whole crew should not be changed at once (because then there aren't enough people to familiarise new crew with the vessel) and that non-UK crew members should have certification equivalent to our Basic Health and Safety or Safety Awareness and Risk Assessment Course.

The adverts for the new crew (not known at that time to be P&O or on such a massive scale) said "No seafarers’ documents are needed" but, despite initial claims otherwise, P&O appeared not to have checked documents or trained most of them and the Larne ship detention was due to "failures on crew familiarisation, vessel documentation and crew training".
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Psamathe wrote: 13 Apr 2022, 1:15pm A bit worrying that there seem to have been several instances where P&O wanted to run ferries that the regulator considered unsafe. what does that say about the company and its attitude to crew and passengers!
Probably not much different to other alleged Dubai company attitudes to blue-collar worker safety? https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ne ... -expo-2020 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_fo ... violations
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Looks like P&O didn't fail their afty inspections "on a technicality" but rather extensive failings
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/apr/19/record-31-failings-found-on-po-ferries-boat-at-safety-inspection wrote:
Record 31 failings found on P&O Ferries boat at safety inspection

Maritime inspectors listed an unprecedented 31 separate failings on a P&O Ferries vessel detained last month, ranging from problems with fire safety to lifeboat drills.

Inspectors for the Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) refused to allow the European Causeway to keep sailing from Larne, Northern Ireland, after discovering issues with labour conditions, navigation and documentation.
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Paula Vennels, Dido Harding, Charlie Cornish, Peter Hebblethwaite, et.al, just what does it take to get someone in charge of an important company who is not an idiot? All of the above are or were very well rewarded, and all of the above appear to be unable to apply even basic common sense to the execution of their duties. We are told constantly that big salaries are required to attract "talent." Equally that should nurses and so-on ask for more then they will "price themselves out of a job." I have a long list of fools who should be out of a job...Just what do the management of P&O have to do before they need to go?
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pliptrot wrote: 20 Apr 2022, 6:47am Paula Vennels, Dido Harding, Charlie Cornish, Peter Hebblethwaite, et.al, just what does it take to get someone in charge of an important company who is not an idiot? All of the above are or were very well rewarded, and all of the above appear to be unable to apply even basic common sense to the execution of their duties. We are told constantly that big salaries are required to attract "talent." Equally that should nurses and so-on ask for more then they will "price themselves out of a job." I have a long list of fools who should be out of a job...Just what do the management of P&O have to do before they need to go?
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"A number of P&O Ferries agency staff have been fired for drinking on the job.

"Seven members of the new group of workers were relieved of their duties after breaching guidelines on alcohol consumption."


https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news ... ob-265792/

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PS: Would they have kept their jobs if they had apologised after being caught...
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Jdsk wrote: 20 Apr 2022, 4:50pm "A number of P&O Ferries agency staff have been fired for drinking on the job.

"Seven members of the new group of workers were relieved of their duties after breaching guidelines on alcohol consumption."


https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news ... ob-265792/

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PS: Would they have kept their jobs if they had apologised after being caught...
Another demonstration of "You get what you pay for"

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Psamathe wrote: 20 Apr 2022, 5:27pm
Jdsk wrote: 20 Apr 2022, 4:50pm "A number of P&O Ferries agency staff have been fired for drinking on the job.

"Seven members of the new group of workers were relieved of their duties after breaching guidelines on alcohol consumption."


https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news ... ob-265792/

Jonathan

PS: Would they have kept their jobs if they had apologised after being caught...
Another demonstration of "You get what you pay for"

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I'm wondering how they afforded to get drunk on £1-odd* per hour, as reported?

*I haven't looked it up, but it was certainly remarkably low
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