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Re: sun protection and skin cancer.
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 8:56pm
by simonineaston
What I want to know is a) where did all that hydrogen come from b) how come it doesn't run out and c) who set it alight in the first place?
Re: sun protection and skin cancer.
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 9:36pm
by gcogger
simonineaston wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 8:56pm
What I want to know is a) where did all that hydrogen come from b) how come it doesn't run out and c) who set it alight in the first place?
a) The Big Bang
b) There's an awful lot of it
c) Gravity (well, technically, it's not on fire)

Re: sun protection and skin cancer.
Posted: 16 Jul 2022, 12:03pm
by Cowsham
Tangled Metal wrote: ↑27 Apr 2022, 7:18am
So you carry them for when or if you get burnt? Surely that's too late?!
You wear them to stop getting burnt and getting skin damage that cumulatively increases your risk of skin cancer and such problems. Carrying them for when the damage is done is like a motorbike carrying leathers and a helmet on the bike in case he has an off. Dress for the ride (or the off) is i think a biker motto. Of you're outside for a long time I think you should dress for the sun.
IME wearing a long sleeve outdoor shirt over a wicking base layer is actually cooler than wearing just the base layer. Loose and protective. Mine has a triple fold out collar to cover my neck where my brimmed hat doesn't. Works well for me and saves me having to reapply greasy gunk every two hours.
I wear a long sleeved gansey which has a high neck -- I look like thawn owl boy in the laurel n Hardy movies getting ready for bed -- all I need is the elfs hat, long Johns and a candle complete with candle holder saucer thing.
Re: sun protection and skin cancer.
Posted: 16 Jul 2022, 12:10pm
by Jdsk
gcogger wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 9:36pm
simonineaston wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 8:56pm
What I want to know is a) where did all that hydrogen come from b) how come it doesn't run out and c) who set it alight in the first place?
a) The Big Bang
b) There's an awful lot of it
c) Gravity (well, technically, it's not on fire)
Yes.
It will run out, but what happens next might not be what you would expect:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun#After ... exhaustion
Jonathan
Re: sun protection and skin cancer.
Posted: 16 Jul 2022, 4:44pm
by mjr
So, a post above recommends uncoated zinc sunblock to avoid nasty chemicals. I looked in two large stores today. Lots of sunblock. None like that. Where do you find it? What are some suitable products?
Re: sun protection and skin cancer.
Posted: 16 Jul 2022, 5:10pm
by Biospace
mjr wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 5:27pm
Biospace wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 2:51pm
On practical and comfort levels I find it much easier to wear a hat which shades your neck and to cover up elsewhere as necessary rather than carrying a bottle of chemicals, apply them and remember to repeat once they've been absorbed into the body.
Cover up? Full gloves in summer while cycling? Really?
And I think sunscreen gets sweated off more than absorbed.
You'll be perfectly safe then and I'm sure marine life isn't going to kick up a fuss!
Interesting point though if sweating, how long does suncream remain effective? A friend found she sweated much more if covered in suncream than if covering up with clothes.
I've never been plagued with sunburnt hands, if the sun is so strong hnads will burn I'll either wear sleeves with cuffs or stay in the shade. Generally hands are less delicate than back of neck and shoulders.
I don't use the stuff except for very occasionally, but know a someone who makes their own for a fraction of the cost.
Re: sun protection and skin cancer.
Posted: 16 Jul 2022, 11:06pm
by Cowsham
Yep -- a nice light pair of gloves prevents any Ak's on the backs of the hands.
Re: sun protection and skin cancer.
Posted: 16 Jul 2022, 11:41pm
by Bonefishblues
I always pack a pair of UV sun gloves just in case. They'd be a good option on the bike.
Re: sun protection and skin cancer.
Posted: 17 Jul 2022, 1:12am
by mjr
I read elsewhere that Holland and Barrett is the t place to go for mineral sunscreens.
I also read that all mineral sunscreens tested by Which are "don't buy"s.
https://www.which.co.uk/news/article/mi ... a8O8h9oDPW
Re: sun protection and skin cancer.
Posted: 17 Jul 2022, 5:52pm
by Biospace
"18 of 51 products passed the UVA protection test required of products sold in Europe" -
https://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/report/wh ... -high-spf/
It seems a lot of claimed effectiveness in the skincare industry is incorrect.
mjr wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 5:27pm
Biospace wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 2:51pm
On practical and comfort levels I find it much easier to cover up as necessary rather than carrying a bottle of chemicals, apply them and remember to repeat once they've been absorbed into the body.
Cover up? Full gloves in summer while cycling? Really?
Cowsham wrote: ↑16 Jul 2022, 11:06pm
Yep -- a nice light pair of gloves prevents any Ak's on the backs of the hands.
Your skin is the body's largest single organ, what repeatedly goes on it can affect your health.
https://www.lawsuit-information-center. ... suits.html
Which is why above mentioned mate makes his own sunblock with Zinc and Titanium oxide and carrier wax/oils - not only does he know what he's using on his body but it costs a fraction of ready-made products.
Re: sun protection and skin cancer.
Posted: 17 Jul 2022, 6:00pm
by Jdsk
Biospace wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 5:52pmWhich is why above mentioned mate makes his own sunblock with Zinc and Titanium oxide and carrier wax/oils - not only does he know what he's using on his body but it costs a fraction of ready-made products.
How does he know whether that mixture is more or less hazardous than a commercial product?
Thanks
Jonathan
Re: sun protection and skin cancer.
Posted: 17 Jul 2022, 6:16pm
by Cowsham
Jdsk wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 6:00pm
Biospace wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 5:52pmWhich is why above mentioned mate makes his own sunblock with Zinc and Titanium oxide and carrier wax/oils - not only does he know what he's using on his body but it costs a fraction of ready-made products.
How does he know whether that mixture is more or less hazardous than a commercial product?
Thanks
Jonathan
That's what I wanted to know too and how would a pair of gloves do any harm unless you're allergic to biological powder ( which I seem to be when mixed with my own sweat -- later life thing )
Re: sun protection and skin cancer.
Posted: 17 Jul 2022, 8:11pm
by mjr
Cowsham wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 6:16pm
That's what I wanted to know too and how would a pair of gloves do any harm unless you're allergic to biological powder ( which I seem to be when mixed with my own sweat -- later life thing )
Having your hands stuck in sweaty gloves (and they will get sweaty in a hot summer) can lead to a range of skin problems including contact urticaria, dermatitis and triggered eczema.
Re: sun protection and skin cancer.
Posted: 17 Jul 2022, 8:34pm
by Bonefishblues
mjr wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 8:11pm
Cowsham wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 6:16pm
That's what I wanted to know too and how would a pair of gloves do any harm unless you're allergic to biological powder ( which I seem to be when mixed with my own sweat -- later life thing )
Having your hands stuck in sweaty gloves (and they will get sweaty in a hot summer) can lead to a range of skin problems including contact urticaria, dermatitis and triggered eczema.
Close fitting sun gloves have a greater surface area to evaporate sweat than skin itself does. They rinse out in seconds and dry in minutes. They're a viable alternative for many.
Re: sun protection and skin cancer.
Posted: 17 Jul 2022, 8:38pm
by mjr
Bonefishblues wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 8:34pm
mjr wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 8:11pm
Cowsham wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 6:16pm
That's what I wanted to know too and how would a pair of gloves do any harm unless you're allergic to biological powder ( which I seem to be when mixed with my own sweat -- later life thing )
Having your hands stuck in sweaty gloves (and they will get sweaty in a hot summer) can lead to a range of skin problems including contact urticaria, dermatitis and triggered eczema.
Close fitting sun gloves have a greater surface area to evaporate sweat than skin itself does. They rinse out in seconds and dry in minutes. They're a viable alternative for many.
Links to any examples, please?
Maybe for many, but far from all.