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Billy007 wrote:

Oldjohnw wrote:Last year I was borderline - thankfully ok now.

I am not overweight , i eat healthily, I know how to cook and I exercise. I always have. I have never smoked and hardly drink - a small whisky once every couple of weeks.

I don't fill my face with sugar, my diet is mostly veg plus fish and I never have processed food.

I am pleased for you that you eat a healthy diet low in carbs and sugar and that you exercise.

Might I assume you are a medically qualified person? With diabetes as a further specialism?

A few posts on here have been edited.

Can we please avoid criticising fellow forumites.

Thanks.

Vorpal wrote:A few posts on here have been edited.

Can we please avoid criticising fellow forumites.

Thanks.

Who has criticised who?

Which posts have been edited/censored?

Billy007 wrote:type 2 diabetes is a result of poor lifestyle and nutrition choices...

I'll swap yer can be for is. Meanwhile I'll potter off and have a chat with my super-slim, low meat eating, sweet avoiding 55 year old chum-with-late-onset type 2 diabetes and put your point of view to him...

simonineaston wrote:

Billy007 wrote:type 2 diabetes is a result of poor lifestyle and nutrition choices...

I'll swap yer can be for is. Meanwhile I'll potter off and have a chat with my super-slim, low meat eating, sweet avoiding 55 year old chum-with-late-onset type 2 diabetes and put your point of view to him...

It would be interesting to hear what you find out. There are slim people who are very unhealthy and overweight people who are healthy so it isn't a straightforward picture. I agree with Billy007 that generally a low-active lifestyle and too much carb is a recipe for Type 2 but I think we need to know more.

Could you ask your chum about smoking, exercise (cardio-vascular) and stress? And in fact anything else that comes to mind.

I've known said chum, a doctor, for decades, and was as surprised as he was when we learnt about his diagnosis. These days he controls symptoms by 1) conscientious monitoring and 2) consistant dietary discipline. These are both notions that might not readily fit with the sort of person whose lifestyle habits could have brought on this issue in the first place. Who knows? This is a good example of the stark diffence between individual experience and the long long lens of statistical epidemiology...

I'll divide this into three posts in an attempt to show how much agreement there is...

Jdsk wrote:

Billy007 wrote:Just want to point out type 2 diabetes is a result of poor lifestyle and nutrition choices, eating far too much sugar.

This is a gross overstatement. There are many factors that are beyond the individual's control including age, sex, ethnicity, genetics, intrauterine environment, therapeutic drugs, and some endocrine diseases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_2_diabetes#Causes

I stand by that, and for anyone who wants other sources here are the relevant pages on the multiple risk factors and causes from Diabetes UK and the American Diabetes Association:
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/preventing-type-2-diabetes/diabetes-risk-factors
https://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-risk

And there are several individual stories in the thread above that clearly illustrate the factors other than obesity.

simonineaston wrote:

Billy007 wrote:type 2 diabetes is a result of poor lifestyle and nutrition choices...

I'll swap yer can be for is.

Yes.

...

The current state of knowledge of the genetic component:
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2016-07-12-genetics-type-2-diabetes-revealed-unprecedented-detail

Jonathan

Billy007 wrote:Just want to point out type 2 diabetes is a result of poor lifestyle and nutrition choices, eating far too much sugar.

In public health terms eating too much, being too heavy, and not taking enough exercise are exactly the right targets for decreasing the number of people with type 2 DM and the harm that results.

Although there are many other causes and risk factors this is the big one to go for in the UK at the moment.

Jonathan

And the third topic is the possibility of reversal or remission. This is fascinating.

The current commentary from Diabetes UK:
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-diabetes/managing-your-diabetes/treating-your-diabetes/type2-diabetes-remission

In parallel with this there is the equally fascinating observation of reversal/ remission after bariatric surgery:
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-diabetes/managing-your-diabetes/treating-your-diabetes/weight-loss-surgery

Jonathan

Vorpal wrote:A few posts on here have been edited.

Can we please avoid criticising fellow forumites.

Thanks.

I have reviewed the comments to my thread I started and have seen that a few of my replies have been removed by you spite them offering good advice. You have not afforded me the courtesy of saying which but have merely removed them as you clearly did not agree with them as you do not understand the topic and stated that "can we please avoid criticising fellow forumites". I have criticised ideas not individuals. I play the ball not the man. It is a bit rich removing comments simply because your own lack of understanding of a topic prevents you from moderating.

It is not only the ignorance that is staggering, but the total lack of wanting educate yourself or refusing to learn how the body works that is even more shocking. Well if you want to believe that factors other than eating too much sugar, too many carbs and processed foods are responsible for type 2 diabetes, then it could be your funeral. Type 2 diabetes causes strokes, heart disease, a fatty liver causing cirrhosis, hardening of arteries, can mean that you can no longer drive due to impairment of vision due to glaucoma caused by diabetes.

You cannot escape the fact that when you eat your body produces insulin. Sugar and carbs create the largest spikes in insulin. If you eat too much sugar and carbs on a regular basis you will develop insulin resistance whether you are male, female, young old, black, white, blue or green. You can REVERSE insulin resistance if you cut out sugar, carbs and processed foods from your diet and do intermittent fasting. If you do NOT put these food groups into your mouth then your insulin levels will start to fall as your body is able to burn fat which will mean you can reduce your blood sugar to a within a level that your body can manage as it did prior to being abused by eating a diet high in sugar and excess carbs. If you eat a diet based on healthy proteins, leafy green veg and healthy fats with periods of IF then you will reverse insulin resistance and become a lot slimmer if you are over weight and healthier. The NHS clearly does not understand this. They have some of the fattest people I've seen working for them!!! Most of the medical profession and drugs companies want type 2 diabetics to remain on medication such as Metaformin for the rest of their lives which will keep doctors, drugs and food manufacturers in cushy well paid jobs for life. It is a silent health scandal. The sad fact is that most people are unaware or just not sufficiently educated or informed to question this, to be able to do some research for themselves, to try and understand what is going on in the body when they eat certain types of foods.

Where there is darkness I try and shed light, where there is ignorance I try and inform. Fine you if want to spend the rest of your life in darkness but don't censor and remove comments simply because your own ignorance is preventing you from understanding what is going on.

Oldjohnw wrote:

Billy007 wrote:

Oldjohnw wrote:Last year I was borderline - thankfully ok now.

I am not overweight , i eat healthily, I know how to cook and I exercise. I always have. I have never smoked and hardly drink - a small whisky once every couple of weeks.

I don't fill my face with sugar, my diet is mostly veg plus fish and I never have processed food.

I am pleased for you that you eat a healthy diet low in carbs and sugar and that you exercise.

Might I assume you are a medically qualified person? With diabetes as a further specialism?

I am a biochemist with a speciality in human physiology.

Billy007 wrote:Well if you want to believe that factors other than eating too much sugar, too many carbs and processed foods are responsible for type 2 diabetes, then it could be your funeral.

The other factors have been repeatedly cited in the discussion above in this thread with links to multiple sources.

You are repeating points that you have already made without providing any evidence for your view that there aren't any other factors.

Jonathan

Billy007 wrote:The NHS clearly does not understand this. They have some of the fattest people I've seen working for them!!! Most of the medical profession and drugs companies want type 2 diabetics to remain on medication such as Metaformin for the rest of their lives which will keep doctors, drugs and food manufacturers in cushy well paid jobs for life. It is a silent health scandal.

Your theory is that it's a... conspiracy?

Jonathan

PS: The drug name that you are looking for is "Metformin".

Vorpal wrote:A few posts on here have been edited.

Can we please avoid criticising fellow forumites.

Thanks.

What a bizarre notion.

Billy007 wrote:

Vorpal wrote:A few posts on here have been edited.

Can we please avoid criticising fellow forumites.

Thanks.

Who has criticised who?

Which posts have been edited/censored?

I was wondering that.