How do you know he wasn't concerned?
Does saying "sorry" help?
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Re: Does saying "sorry" help?
Some hypocrisy going on from certain posters on this thread.
If it had been a car/motorbike/HGV/van/bus driver he would have been vilified on here but it's OK because he's a 'cyclist'?
No.
It doesn't work like that.
If it had been a car/motorbike/HGV/van/bus driver he would have been vilified on here but it's OK because he's a 'cyclist'?
No.
It doesn't work like that.
Re: Does saying "sorry" help?
Who said that it was OK?PedallingSquares wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:14pm Some hypocrisy going on from certain posters on this thread.
If it had been a car/motorbike/HGV/van/bus driver he would have been vilified on here but it's OK because he's a 'cyclist'?
I see posts suggesting that we don't know what happened.
Jonathan
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Re: Does saying "sorry" help?
Jdsk wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:18pmWho said that it was OK?PedallingSquares wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:14pm Some hypocrisy going on from certain posters on this thread.
If it had been a car/motorbike/HGV/van/bus driver he would have been vilified on here but it's OK because he's a 'cyclist'?
I see posts suggesting that we don't know what happened.
Jonathan
pwa wrote: ↑21 Jun 2022, 5:40pm I think it does. A delivery cyclist who knocked down a four year old boy on a pedestrian street in Cardiff has handed himself in and written a letter of apology.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61883065
Why he didn't hang around in the first place I don't know. Fear, perhaps. But it sounds like he feels bad about what happened and wants to put right what he can put right.
Bonefishblues wrote: ↑21 Jun 2022, 5:51pm I've been surprised at their sudden prevalence in town & city centres (e-bike delivery cyclists, that is)
And yes, although he should have stopped at the first opportunity, at least this is a first step.
Seem to think it's OK to leave but then say sorry.Carlton green wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 8:27amYou might well be correct. On the other hand who hasn’t reacted to a situation in a non-optimal way or taken a course of action that they later felt wasn’t right? Of course the person concerned might also have judged that hanging around would endanger their personal safety … events can easily get out of hand.Tangled Metal wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 8:17am OK so let's get this straight here. Someone left the scene of an accident where someone was injured, it shouldn't matter who but it obviously dies, and we're giving him credit for owning up later? He's written a letter of apology instead of staying at the scene, and we're giving him credit for that? A letter he's no doubt been advised to write to mitigate his actions.
In general I think that saying sorry does help matters.
Re: Does saying "sorry" help?
I don't read any of those as saying that leaving the scene was OK. I see people saying that they don't know what happened, and speculating about the reason why he did.PedallingSquares wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:28pmJdsk wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:18pmWho said that it was OK?PedallingSquares wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:14pm Some hypocrisy going on from certain posters on this thread.
If it had been a car/motorbike/HGV/van/bus driver he would have been vilified on here but it's OK because he's a 'cyclist'?
I see posts suggesting that we don't know what happened.
Jonathanpwa wrote: ↑21 Jun 2022, 5:40pm I think it does. A delivery cyclist who knocked down a four year old boy on a pedestrian street in Cardiff has handed himself in and written a letter of apology.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61883065
Why he didn't hang around in the first place I don't know. Fear, perhaps. But it sounds like he feels bad about what happened and wants to put right what he can put right.Bonefishblues wrote: ↑21 Jun 2022, 5:51pm I've been surprised at their sudden prevalence in town & city centres (e-bike delivery cyclists, that is)
And yes, although he should have stopped at the first opportunity, at least this is a first step.Seem to think it's OK to leave but then say sorry.Carlton green wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 8:27amYou might well be correct. On the other hand who hasn’t reacted to a situation in a non-optimal way or taken a course of action that they later felt wasn’t right? Of course the person concerned might also have judged that hanging around would endanger their personal safety … events can easily get out of hand.Tangled Metal wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 8:17am OK so let's get this straight here. Someone left the scene of an accident where someone was injured, it shouldn't matter who but it obviously dies, and we're giving him credit for owning up later? He's written a letter of apology instead of staying at the scene, and we're giving him credit for that? A letter he's no doubt been advised to write to mitigate his actions.
In general I think that saying sorry does help matters.
Jonathan
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Re: Does saying "sorry" help?
Yes which is why he isn't quoted as he and R2 seem to be the only ones who don't think it's OKJdsk wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:32pmI don't read any of those as saying that leaving the scene was OK. I see people saying that they don't know what happened, and speculating about the reason why he did.PedallingSquares wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:28pmpwa wrote: ↑21 Jun 2022, 5:40pm I think it does. A delivery cyclist who knocked down a four year old boy on a pedestrian street in Cardiff has handed himself in and written a letter of apology.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61883065
Why he didn't hang around in the first place I don't know. Fear, perhaps. But it sounds like he feels bad about what happened and wants to put right what he can put right.Bonefishblues wrote: ↑21 Jun 2022, 5:51pm I've been surprised at their sudden prevalence in town & city centres (e-bike delivery cyclists, that is)
And yes, although he should have stopped at the first opportunity, at least this is a first step.Seem to think it's OK to leave but then say sorry.Carlton green wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 8:27am
You might well be correct. On the other hand who hasn’t reacted to a situation in a non-optimal way or taken a course of action that they later felt wasn’t right? Of course the person concerned might also have judged that hanging around would endanger their personal safety … events can easily get out of hand.
In general I think that saying sorry does help matters.
And I read Tangled Metal's as saying that it wasn't OK.
Jonathan
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Re: Does saying "sorry" help?
Please do not quote me as evidence of something when it is abundantly apparent that was not what I was saying. You know - if you read the words like "He should have stopped..." that tends to indicate that my view is that he should have stopped.
Re: Does saying "sorry" help?
Yes, that was clear from your wording.Bonefishblues wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:35pm ...
You know - if you read the words like "He should have stopped..." that tends to indicate that my view is that he should have stopped.
Jonathan
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Re: Does saying "sorry" help?
Yes but your ther text.....Bonefishblues wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:35pm Please do not quote me as evidence of something when it is abundantly apparent that was not what I was saying. You know - if you read the words like "He should have stopped..." that tends to indicate that my view is that he should have stopped.
So do you think saying sorry makes it OK?
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Re: Does saying "sorry" help?
You,as usual,seem to be saying a lot without actually saying a lot.Jdsk wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:37pmYes, that was clear from your wording.Bonefishblues wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:35pm ...
You know - if you read the words like "He should have stopped..." that tends to indicate that my view is that he should have stopped.
Jonathan
Simple answer yes or no.
Do you think saying sorry makes it OK?
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Re: Does saying "sorry" help?
When I posted earlier, I hadn't been back to refresh my memory about the report linked in the OP
FWIW, the duties imposed on a driver after an "accident" by the RTA are purely administrative, involving supplying details of identity, insurance etc. They do not include things like giving first aid
They do not apply to a pedal cyclist
FWIW, the duties imposed on a driver after an "accident" by the RTA are purely administrative, involving supplying details of identity, insurance etc. They do not include things like giving first aid
They do not apply to a pedal cyclist
Re: Does saying "sorry" help?
PedallingSquares wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:39pmYou,as usual,seem to be saying a lot without actually saying a lot.Jdsk wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:37pmYes, that was clear from your wording.Bonefishblues wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:35pm ...
You know - if you read the words like "He should have stopped..." that tends to indicate that my view is that he should have stopped.
Simple answer yes or no.
Do you think saying sorry makes it OK?
Jonathan
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Re: Does saying "sorry" help?
Once again,true to form,you do not answer a simple yes or no question.Jdsk wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:41pmPedallingSquares wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:39pmYou,as usual,seem to be saying a lot without actually saying a lot.
Simple answer yes or no.
Do you think saying sorry makes it OK?Jonathan
I won't waste any more of my time on your ramblings.
Thank you.
Re: Does saying "sorry" help?
FWIW,saying sorry can be a long way from actually being sorry.
Saying sorry costs nowt.
Being sorry costs,sometimes a lot.
Saying sorry costs nowt.
Being sorry costs,sometimes a lot.
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Re: Does saying "sorry" help?
Read my post. That is what I mean.PedallingSquares wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:37pmYes but your ther text.....Bonefishblues wrote: ↑22 Jun 2022, 4:35pm Please do not quote me as evidence of something when it is abundantly apparent that was not what I was saying. You know - if you read the words like "He should have stopped..." that tends to indicate that my view is that he should have stopped.
So do you think saying sorry makes it OK?
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