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Bonefishblues wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 9:42am

Jdsk wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 9:38am For children my current view is that meat isn't essential, but there are several potential problems that you have to actively manage to avoid ham, and that not all parents etc are doing that.

Edited for mild comedic value

And reported to the Moderators for antipiratism.

Jonathan

Jdsk wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 9:47am

Bonefishblues wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 9:42am

Jdsk wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 9:38am For children my current view is that meat isn't essential, but there are several potential problems that you have to actively manage to avoid ham, and that not all parents etc are doing that.

Edited for mild comedic value

And reported to the Moderators for antipiratism.

Jonathan

I shall away to a darkened room with my damp towel again

: - )

Jonathan

Admins are fleet of foot this morning - smart work

reohn2 wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 9:08am

mattheus wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 9:01am

reohn2 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 9:51am I understand this post may be controversial for some,but if animal welfare concerns you,simply stop eating meat.
We as humans with the vatiety of foods on offer and vitamins available don't need to eat meat.

Funny, it seemed pretty clear from previous discussion that you're against telling people how to live their life.

Perhaps I was wrong :lol:

I'm not telling anyone not to eat meat or how to live their lives,in that post I was merely putting forward that there isn't the need for humans to eat meat.
If people wish to eat meat that's up to them and I have no problem with that.
So yes you were wrong

(My bold and colour)
Meat production presents a lot of issues e.g. climate gasses e.g. efficiency (where people are starving, meat production is inefficient). So if I want to take my large ICE SUV out for long pleasure drives every day polluting the atmosphere, clogging the roads am I being socially responsible?

I don't eat meat because it's unsustainable, causes excessive climate pollution, etc.

Although I eat no meat, I see it as a sliding scale, a continuum. People need to cut back on meat consumption as it is having damaging impacts on everybody. Same as wasting energy, etc. Attitudes like "I need it, I like it, I can afford it' fail to recognise the impact on others. Of course anybody can ignore the negative impact they have on others (e.g. woodburner gassing out neighbour suffering COPD (I don't suffer COPD ut my other neighbour does)).

Ian

Thread drift alert:-

Psamathe wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 10:04am I don't eat meat because it's unsustainable, causes excessive climate pollution, etc.

That can also be said for some fruit and vegetable production,pesticides,herbicides,air miles,etc,etc,which is a consequence of modern industrial world.

Although I eat no meat, I see it as a sliding scale, a continuum. People need to cut back on meat consumption as it is having damaging impacts on everybody

It could be argued that the western world and increasingly the emerging economies need to cut back on all consumption.

Same as wasting energy, etc. Attitudes like "I need it, I like it, I can afford it' fail to recognise the impact on others. Of course anybody can ignore the negative impact they have on others (e.g. woodburner gassing out neighbour suffering COPD (I don't suffer COPD ut my other neighbour does)).

Ian

It can be argued the whole of humanity is having a negative effect on iself however careful the individual is to the contrary and has been in increasing industrial measure for these past 400 years.
The question is how long will it continue and how will humanity adapt to it's despoiling the "garden of eden".

I'm as guilty as the next human being

I am looking forward to our BBQ this afternoon

Al

reohn2 wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 9:08am I'm not telling anyone not to eat meat or how to live their lives,in that post I was merely putting forward that there isn't the need for humans to eat meat.

I'm firmly in the need to eat meat court.
I need to eat meat to be happy.If I had to eat a meat-free diet my mental health would suffer and as a consequence my physical health would then too suffer.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but we can't keep trying to decide that everyone is the same regardless.Be a veggie/vegan/meatfree kind of person if that floats your boat but don't try to tell me what I need.
Only I can decide that.

PedallingSquares wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 1:40pm

reohn2 wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 9:08am I'm not telling anyone not to eat meat or how to live their lives,in that post I was merely putting forward that there isn't the need for humans to eat meat.

I'm firmly in the need to eat meat court.
I need to eat meat to be happy.If I had to eat a meat-free diet my mental health would suffer and as a consequence my physical health would then too suffer.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but we can't keep trying to decide that everyone is the same regardless.Be a veggie/vegan/meatfree kind of person if that floats your boat but don't try to tell me what I need.
Only I can decide that.

There's a difference between need and want.
Until you've tried a meat free diet for at least 3 to 6months you won't know.

reohn2 wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 6:25pm

PedallingSquares wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 1:40pm

reohn2 wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 9:08am I'm not telling anyone not to eat meat or how to live their lives,in that post I was merely putting forward that there isn't the need for humans to eat meat.

I'm firmly in the need to eat meat court.
I need to eat meat to be happy.If I had to eat a meat-free diet my mental health would suffer and as a consequence my physical health would then too suffer.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but we can't keep trying to decide that everyone is the same regardless.Be a veggie/vegan/meatfree kind of person if that floats your boat but don't try to tell me what I need.
Only I can decide that.

There's a difference between need and want.
Until you've tried a meat free diet for at least 3 to 6months you won't know.

Yes I do know.
I need meat.Only I can decide that.
I see what my Vegan daughter eats and it looks depressing.It is absolute ****.I don't need to try anything for 3-6 months to know it won't suit me.
You're trying to make this a generic thing and it simply is not.It is a personal thing and personally I know I need meat to function and be happy.Why is it so hard to make the Vegan/meat free brigade understand this?
The odd vegetarian meal is fine but I need Beef,Lamb,Pork,Chicken and Fish.It's as simple as that!
This is what annoys me about this.After 1000s of years being Omnivorous those who choose to be Herbiforous are now trying to tell the rest of us we are wrong

reminds me of the T shirt emblazoned with the motto, "ham and eggs - a morning's work for the chicken - a lifetime's achievement for the piggie..."
ps French charcuterie industry in trouble just now with recent report blaming nitriles for high levels of sundry unpleasant diseases.

PedallingSquares wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 6:35pm

reohn2 wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 6:25pm

PedallingSquares wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 1:40pm
I'm firmly in the need to eat meat court.
I need to eat meat to be happy.If I had to eat a meat-free diet my mental health would suffer and as a consequence my physical health would then too suffer.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but we can't keep trying to decide that everyone is the same regardless.Be a veggie/vegan/meatfree kind of person if that floats your boat but don't try to tell me what I need.
Only I can decide that.

There's a difference between need and want.
Until you've tried a meat free diet for at least 3 to 6months you won't know.

Yes I do know.
I need meat.Only I can decide that.
I see what my Vegan daughter eats and it looks depressing.It is absolute ****.I don't need to try anything for 3-6 months to know it won't suit me.
You're trying to make this a generic thing and it simply is not.It is a personal thing and personally I know I need meat to function and be happy.Why is it so hard to make the Vegan/meat free brigade understand this?
The odd vegetarian meal is fine but I need Beef,Lamb,Pork,Chicken and Fish.It's as simple as that!
This is what annoys me about this.After 1000s of years being Omnivorous those who choose to be Herbiforous are now trying to tell the rest of us we are wrong

I'm not saying you're wrong to eat meat I saying your feeling the need to is psychological not a physical need,no harm would come to you by not eating meat.
Were there a worldwide shortage of meat products and you were forced to go meat free,you wouldn't suffer as a result,you may have a meat missing grump for a few days but you'd soon adapt and may even find you feel better as a result

PedallingSquares wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 6:35pm

reohn2 wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 6:25pm

PedallingSquares wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 1:40pm
I'm firmly in the need to eat meat court.
I need to eat meat to be happy.If I had to eat a meat-free diet my mental health would suffer and as a consequence my physical health would then too suffer.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but we can't keep trying to decide that everyone is the same regardless.Be a veggie/vegan/meatfree kind of person if that floats your boat but don't try to tell me what I need.
Only I can decide that.

There's a difference between need and want.
Until you've tried a meat free diet for at least 3 to 6months you won't know.

Yes I do know.
I need meat.Only I can decide that.
I see what my Vegan daughter eats and it looks depressing.It is absolute ****.I don't need to try anything for 3-6 months to know it won't suit me.
You're trying to make this a generic thing and it simply is not.It is a personal thing and personally I know I need meat to function and be happy.Why is it so hard to make the Vegan/meat free brigade understand this?
The odd vegetarian meal is fine but I need Beef,Lamb,Pork,Chicken and Fish.It's as simple as that!
This is what annoys me about this.After 1000s of years being Omnivorous those who choose to be Herbiforous are now trying to tell the rest of us we are wrong :oops:

You seem to be using Vegan and Vegetarian interchangeably.

My issue is that Climate Damage is a pretty important thing and high meat consumption is adding significantly to Climate damage. If the issue was just impacting yourself then I'd be much more relaxed about "up to individuals" but it's damaging and impacting everybody else.

Ian

Had a great BBQ again yesterday. I worked out that my Weber was bought in 1995, and its still going strong. All thats happened is that the wooden handles rotted away and I had to replace them. Looks like I will have to do them again. It stands outside in all weathers and because the kettle is vitreous enamel and the legs etc are aluminium there is no rust. At Christmas the turkey breast got cooked in it by the indirect method. This is where you put a drip tray under the meat and put coals or charcoal at each side of the kettle behind the little fences. You simply pop the lid on and it cooks away unattended giving tasteless turkey a lovely mild smokey flavour.
I believe smoking meat whilst cooking is a sort of preservative although too much of it can be undesirable. I like Kippers, Smoked Haddock, smoked Mackerel too but believe eating too much smoked stuff can be bad for you. I had a friend who was BBQ mad and he sadly died of cancer in his 50s.

Al

simonineaston wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 6:37pm reminds me of the T shirt emblazoned with the motto, "ham and eggs - a morning's work for the chicken - a lifetime's achievement for the piggie..."
ps French charcuterie industry in trouble just now with recent report blaming nitriles for high levels of sundry unpleasant diseases.

Careful - you might drag the thread back to the actual topic.

(good T-shirt slogan though! )