Rack fitting (no eyelets)

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Gee wrote: 16 Jul 2022, 11:43am I’m really struggling to get sorted for luggage for my first tour.

I intend to be as light as possible.
Good, go b&b or travel lodge;
Bar bag: food that your going to eat during the day, phone charger, medical kit, face cloth for hot days, tool kit, spare tyre, wash bag, battery bike lights, head torch

Saddle bag: evening clothes (one set) spare pair of underwear (2 sets if traveling a country known for its rain) sleep wear, spare cycling clothes, and a secondary layer for cold days If you buy merino clothing, you can live in for up to ten days without causing offence to other people's noses) . Waterproofs- strapped to top of saddle bag.
Wash the kit out at the same time you shower, and dry first within the towel and then over night. Tilley used to do some travel socks that you could wash and dry overnight. When I did lejog I bought three pairs, and every time they were dry in the morning :-)

If you've got bottle cage mounts, then look to fit a mount that can carry a drinks bottle that you can buy from a newsagent or shop.

If you can get used to eating coldfood, raw vegetables, fruit and nuts.

Otherwise it's on line research time. Websites such as the radavist and bikepacking is full of articles about people's experiences with different types of kit, how they pack and where they've travelled
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simonineaston wrote: 16 Jul 2022, 1:31pm Funnily enough, the whole vibe of cycle-touring is all about problem-solving! There's two sorts of cyclists - those who enjoy the whole process of a stream-of-problems (like the front light) and almost as a postscript, the actual tour!
And then there's the folks, who quite reasonably, decide the game isn't worth the candle and stick to other forms of this delightful hobby (or is more a life-style...?).
If the chance came around again I might be tempted to do lejog one more time especially as a number of long distance of road routes have opened, but other than that I can't see it happening again. I might do the odd over night stay tho' (otherwise known as a sub 24 hr adventure) :-)
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Re: Rack fitting (no eyelets)

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I don't know if you've already bought panniers, but my ortlibs allow you to adjust the brackets so you can mount them a little back to help with heel clearance.

Any tubus rack I've seen has mountings for mudguards on the rack itself. So simply bolt the rack to the frame then the mudguards to the rack.
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It’s on.

I’m not quite sure how to add pictures but here goes.
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The question now is whether that SuperC is the best solution. Ideal I’d find a way to lift it an inch or two. It looks a sack of spuds when it’s empty!

Or would I be better with a rack pack?
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Looking at your photos you should have no problems with heal clearance.
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Gee wrote: 16 Jul 2022, 6:28pm It’s on.

I’m not quite sure how to add pictures but here goes.
B6B77378-C2E6-449B-81C4-26A6BE14DFD8.jpeg

F63E24FC-79EC-4D2F-93B1-348A1A7DC231.jpeg

F4E186C4-7D55-470A-A547-FAB21B5FA620.jpeg

The question now is whether that SuperC is the best solution. Ideal I’d find a way to lift it an inch or two. It looks a sack of spuds when it’s empty!

Or would I be better with a rack pack?
Yeah, they all do - the best way is to fill 'em...
..as for trying to answer the second question... at this point can we see what you would be carrying?
(As someone pointed out in my first tour when I took way, way too much, cycle tourists gave a habit of packing to fill their bags.... take small panniers, carry less stuff :-D)
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cycle tramp wrote: 16 Jul 2022, 6:53pm
Gee wrote: 16 Jul 2022, 6:28pm It’s on.

I’m not quite sure how to add pictures but here goes.
B6B77378-C2E6-449B-81C4-26A6BE14DFD8.jpeg

F63E24FC-79EC-4D2F-93B1-348A1A7DC231.jpeg

F4E186C4-7D55-470A-A547-FAB21B5FA620.jpeg

The question now is whether that SuperC is the best solution. Ideal I’d find a way to lift it an inch or two. It looks a sack of spuds when it’s empty!

Or would I be better with a rack pack?
Yeah, they all do - the best way is to fill 'em...
..as for trying to answer the second question... at this point can we see what you would be carrying?
(As someone pointed out in my first tour when I took way, way too much, cycle tourists gave a habit of packing to fill their bags.... take small panniers, carry less stuff :-D)
If I was doing hotel/b&b I’m absolutely sure that be enough on it’s own. In fact more than enough.

For camping it’ll still be light as possible. Small backpacking tent, 3 season bag, sleeping mat, stove and pans, close to 5kg as possible.
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Gee wrote: 16 Jul 2022, 6:28pm The question now is whether that SuperC is the best solution. Ideal I’d find a way to lift it an inch or two. It looks a sack of spuds when it’s empty!
That is why they are called sagglebags, especially when the side pockets are loaded with their natural occupants of tools and spare tubes. My daily ride has a 50 year old Campers Longflap on it, my newest one being reserved for touring.
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Does that say "Bowman" on the frame?
I was interested in the forks, and I googled "Bowman bikes".....I rather wish I hadn't!
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Back to fitting luggage........
Fit the carrier next to the frame!!
You have frame, mudguard then the carrier, with the poor little M5 bolts just about hanging by their fingertips in the ALLOY dropout.
Put the bolts in from the wheel side, tighten the bolts against the dropout, fit the carrier and then a washer and a (self-locking) nut.
Google "westfield fasteners" get enough bolts and nuts, and "P" clips to fit ....
1...mudguard to the carrier
2...carrier top stays to the seatstays to give the widest possible bracing

Your forks have low rider mounts, you have fitted the mudguards to them, which isn't a problem.
I would be wary of fitting luggage to carbon forks, even with the mounts.
Bike fitting D.I.Y. .....http://wheel-easy.org.uk/wp-content/upl ... -2017a.pdf
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I don't want to sound smug but I've always been so glad both racks mount to my Moulton with M8s!
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531colin wrote: 17 Jul 2022, 5:55pm Back to fitting luggage........
Fit the carrier next to the frame!!
You have frame, mudguard then the carrier, with the poor little M5 bolts just about hanging by their fingertips in the ALLOY dropout.
Put the bolts in from the wheel side, tighten the bolts against the dropout, fit the carrier and then a washer and a (self-locking) nut.
Google "westfield fasteners" get enough bolts and nuts, and "P" clips to fit ....
1...mudguard to the carrier
2...carrier top stays to the seatstays to give the widest possible bracing

Your forks have low rider mounts, you have fitted the mudguards to them, which isn't a problem.
I would be wary of fitting luggage to carbon forks, even with the mounts.
Hi, it is a Bowman Pilgrims.

Your right about the way it’s fitted at the minute. Not that I’m planning to put much weight on it. It’s not that sort of bike. I hadn’t thought about fixing the mudguards to the rack but it’s a very good idea.

I was a bit sorry Bowman ceased trading - not least I’ve only got the spare derailleur hanger! I guess I’ll be getting something a bit more tourer like before long. I don’t want anything too sluggish and lifeless though.

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You are most unlikely to be stuck for a gear hanger, its most likely a common part; if you google "bike gear hangers" or some such, you will get about 3 specialist suppliers!
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simonineaston wrote: 17 Jul 2022, 6:49pm I don't want to sound smug but I've always been so glad both racks mount to my Moulton with M8s!
Yeah, but they are cantilevered out quite a long way, unlike conventional bikes which have a support underneath the rack?
Provided the rack is next to the frame and the fixing done up, there is a LOT of friction between rack and frame.....and even M5 bolts are pretty strong in shear loading.

The Spa tourers have M6 rear rack bolts, because why wouldn't you?
Only time we had a lot of failures was when a builder was welding eyelets onto dropouts....they don't build for Spa any more!
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531colin wrote: 17 Jul 2022, 5:47pm Does that say "Bowman" on the frame?
I was interested in the forks, and I googled "Bowman bikes".....I rather wish I hadn't!
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... gj-c7wdoL2

I rather wish I hadn’t now! Do you think this frame is safe? Or should I get a new frame and transfer the bits over! I could maybe get something with 32 or 36mm clearance as well.
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