Fuel prices

[rjb]

Lots of "fuel" in these monsters if you can cope with the smell. Clothes pegs to hand. it's rural smelly time again.

[Mick F]

The message I take from it, Mick, is that whatever you are used to paying, it will be triple or more.

I did a bit of arithmetic regarding the cost of our lecky this year.
We have a key-meter for it, and looking up what we've paid so far since Jan 1st, and I find out that we pay £660 a year.
No gas, but we do most of our cooking and hot water from coal. Not lit at the mo, so it's the lecky cooker being used.

I have to work out how much per bag and how many we get through in the year and find an annual cost.

Also, the cost of petrol and my efforts in cutting trees and logging them up. We can offset quite a bit of lecky use by lighting the woodburner (back boiler) for hot water rather than the lecky immersion heater.

There is no way that our bills will come anywhere near £4,200 pa.
I can only assume that it's GAS that's going to sky-rocket.

[Jdsk]

I can only assume that it's GAS that's going to sky-rocket.

The revised price cap and the predicted price increases are for both gas and electricity.

Jonathan

PS: About 35% of the UK's electricity is generated using gas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrici ... Generation

[pete75]

the middle one was unusual, it appeared to be driven by a 14 year old schoolgirl, not that is in anyway unusual, but she wasn't playing with a mobile phone, not often you see a teenager driving a tractor and trailer withot a mobile phone in hand!

The tractor in the first picture is nowhere near as big as any of the houses. It just looks like it because of foreshortening.

A 16 year old can drive a tractor if they pass a tractor test. It takes about 20 minutes. A 17 year old with a provisional licence can, unserpervised, drive any tractor on the road as long as it's not a crawler. Nobody used to bother about that either. I can remember driving a TD18 like this on the road when I was 17. I say on the road but you'd try and keep them on the verge as much as possible. The tracks don't do the road surface a lot of good.

[al_yrpal]

Half the French nukes are out of action with cracked pipes, they are importing electricity from all neighbours including us and EDF is tottering.

We are working out our fuel budget, ordering logs and smokeless fuel early because we guess they will go up substantially as winter progresses.

Topped up petrol this morning £1.67.5 per ltr.

I have a couple of old friends with modern eco homes and they both say that they paid up front for the low energy costs they enjoy. They both face problems finding a cool place in their houses because although the houses warm up slowly they also cool down very slowly. No such problems here with 11 foot ceilings and sliding sashes.

Al

[peetee]

They both face problems finding a cool place in their houses because although the houses warm up slowly they also cool down very slowly. No such problems here with 11 foot ceilings and sliding sashes.

Al

My whitewashed place has granite and limestone walls nearly 2ft thick so in the main part of the house it’s nicely cool. The extension on the back, however, is modern block with a flat roof so the bathroom and 3rd bedroom are rather difficult to occupy when the sun comes round in the afternoon.

[Vorpal]

Maybe the UK should buy Norwegian electricity from Sweden?
https://thedailyreformer.com/europenews ... to-norway/

[Pebble]

the middle one was unusual, it appeared to be driven by a 14 year old schoolgirl, not that is in anyway unusual, but she wasn't playing with a mobile phone, not often you see a teenager driving a tractor and trailer withot a mobile phone in hand!

The tractor in the first picture is nowhere near as big as any of the houses. It just looks like it because of foreshortening.

you do seem to have a bee in your bonnet on this don't you! My original comment of tractors being nearly as big as houses was a tongue in cheek comment and I woud imagine most woud have understood my exageration

However, and just playing here (so please don't take it too seriously)
Fast Tracs (that yellow tractor) about 5m in lenghth
it was pulling a full size tri axle flat bed (ex haulage) trailer so 13.5m
and it was pulling it on a dolly (add at least another 1.5m)

overall Length approx 20 meters (would be totally illegal for a haulier but rules for farmers is in a parallel universe)
and width 2.55m ?

giving a footprint of 51 sq meters

average house built in UK since 2010 = 67.8 sq meters
so if the average is 67.8 there will be plenty not much bigger than an agric tractor and trailer on harvest duties

[Jdsk]

https://thedailyreformer.com/europenews ... to-norway/

I get a lot of fictitious malware warnings at that address.

Jonathan

[gbnz]

There is no way that our bills will come anywhere near £4,200 pa.
I

+ 1. I only put the heating on for two ten minute spells around Christmas last year and a few 1 minute bursts January - February to make sure the pipes didn't freeze. It's possible the bill may triple this year and who know's, perhaps it'll be £90 over the winter .

It's rather like my petrol and/or diesel bills, they've totalled £0.00 per annum for a few years now.

[gbnz]

, perhaps it'll be £90 over the winter .

Well, it's shocking, with the increase in gas costs my energy supplier have advised me are likely to apply this autumn, I could be spending £16.01 each month on gas . That means my heating costs this winter, could total an astonishing £96.06 over a six month period.

It's astonishing that a Tory Government are expecting us to find sums of that size, to pay for heating our own homes :

[Biospace]

Well a friend of mine uses a Ford Dexter bought new by his grandfather in 1962 for light jobs on the farm. He likes it because no enclosed cab so delightful to use in half decent weather.

modern day farming is incredibly intensive and massive machines, the bigger the better is the order of the day. Modern combines can be producing 70 to 120 ton of grain per hour, you need three tractors and trailers the size of articulated lorries to keep up. There's a lot of people to feed

Modern agriculture is incredibly energy intensive but Is this current approach sustainable? The indications are that it is not.

I can't find the link for this little snippet which has stayed in my mind, that in the 1950s ~3 units of energy in were required for 1 unit of food energy out of the agricultural system. Today it's over 10:1.

[Mick F]

Heard on R4 earlier ............... PM, or was it the 6 o'clock news?
Lady on, saying that she is paying £150 a month just on gas.

What the heck does she do with it?

[PedallingSquares]

Heard on R4 earlier ............... PM, or was it the 6 o'clock news?
Lady on, saying that she is paying £150 a month just on gas.
What the heck does she do with it?

That's probably what our dual costs break down to,currently £240pm.I would assume Gas is more than half that.
We heat water and cook with it.The heating hasn't been on for at least a month.Our shower is heated directly from the boiler and my son is in there for about 20 mins twice a day

[rjb]

Heard on R4 earlier ............... PM, or was it the 6 o'clock news?
Lady on, saying that she is paying £150 a month just on gas.

What the heck does she do with it?

It's probably averaged over the year so she possibly spends just the standing charge now and builds up a credit to offset her winter use. It's possibly not enough with the predicted increase.

Joe public just goes along with what their provider suggests. Most don't have a clue of how to measure their consumption so don't understand how to reduce it or prioritise it's use.

And like most parents know the biggest saving can be made by chucking the kids out.