Stevek76 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2022, 12:14pm
She caveated it with 'typically', perfectly truthful
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I always remember a statistics lecturer back in my University days "I have an above average number of legs".
When they say typical one has no idea exactly what that means. Interpret as "average" and suddenly half the households in the country are paying more than the quoted £2500.
Average is much better, but it's average bill, not the meaningless average household.
The fact checking organisation Full Fact has criticised Truss for misleading voters. Will Moy, the organisation’s chief executive, said:
We wrote to the prime minister about getting this wrong only yesterday. The government’s energy plans will affect every household in Britain this winter. And yet Liz Truss has repeatedly misled listeners this morning.
She must now publicly correct her mistake to make sure people are not misled about their energy prices and hit with unexpected and unaffordable energy bills this winter.
I think there's bigger faults to criticise.
All todays quotes contain the word "Typical", this was missing from the CNN interview, which is what fullfact are rightly pointing out.
We could discuss whether this £2,500 figure is typical or not, but if it's misleading that's Ofgem's fault rather than Truss's.
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I think there's bigger faults to criticise.
All todays quotes contain the word "Typical", this was missing from the CNN interview, which is what fullfact are rightly pointing out.
We could discuss whether this £2,500 figure is typical or not, but if it's misleading that's Ofgem's fault rather than Truss's.
I think there's bigger faults to criticise.
All todays quotes contain the word "Typical", this was missing from the CNN interview, which is what fullfact are rightly pointing out.
We could discuss whether this £2,500 figure is typical or not, but if it's misleading that's Ofgem's fault rather than Truss's.
I am listening to all of them - or extracts anyway, and it has just been stated as an absolute on one of the local radio IVs (Norfolk, iirc)
It's like engaging with an automaton. It's the lack of emotion that's utterly chilling.
I think there's bigger faults to criticise.
All todays quotes contain the word "Typical", this was missing from the CNN interview, which is what fullfact are rightly pointing out.
We could discuss whether this £2,500 figure is typical or not, but if it's misleading that's Ofgem's fault rather than Truss's.
I think there's bigger faults to criticise.
All todays quotes contain the word "Typical", this was missing from the CNN interview, which is what fullfact are rightly pointing out.
We could discuss whether this £2,500 figure is typical or not, but if it's misleading that's Ofgem's fault rather than Truss's.
I am listening to all of them - or extracts anyway, and it has just been stated as an absolute on one of the local radio IVs (Norfolk, iirc)
It's like engaging with an automaton. It's the lack of emotion that's utterly chilling.
Reported that Leeds didn't include any "typical" (or similar) clarification viewtopic.php?p=1726681#p1726681. Maybe others as well. She had apparently been forewarned about this.
Some good commentary from various Twitter comentators brought together in Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... 41b84c4460 (I wont cut and paste them as they are long and not everybody wants to scroll past other people's views. But she does seem something of an "automaton", came across with no empathy for what they are causing the public to suffer.
PH wrote: ↑29 Sep 2022, 12:41pm
I think there's bigger faults to criticise.
All todays quotes contain the word "Typical", this was missing from the CNN interview, which is what fullfact are rightly pointing out.
We could discuss whether this £2,500 figure is typical or not, but if it's misleading that's Ofgem's fault rather than Truss's.
I think there's bigger faults to criticise.
All todays quotes contain the word "Typical", this was missing from the CNN interview, which is what fullfact are rightly pointing out.
We could discuss whether this £2,500 figure is typical or not, but if it's misleading that's Ofgem's fault rather than Truss's.
If OFGEM got it wrong (I've not checked) then they deserve criticism and need to put it right.
But also, Ms Truss was warned (in writing) yesterday about this by the Chief Executive of FullFact, so if she is still repeating misleading information (despite having been warned) then she is also at fault and needs to go public and apologise and correct her misleading information.
So I consider criticism of Ms Truss on this as quite right.
We wrote to the prime minister about getting this wrong only yesterday. The government’s energy plans will affect every household in Britain this winter. And yet Liz Truss has repeatedly misled listeners this morning.
She must now publicly correct her mistake to make sure people are not misled about their energy prices and hit with unexpected and unaffordable energy bills this winter.
The seems pretty clear. Typical usage isn't as good as average usage.
But Truss has added those weird negatives, such as no family will be facing a typical fuel bill of more than £2,500.
Jonathan
Rather than the semantics about what is typical or average, the main point is it isn't a cap!
As the money saving website says
"The energy price cap is misnamed – there's no cap on how much you pay."
But that isn't Truss's fault.
Sooner she and this government are gone the better.
But she was unfortunate with the timing, the Queen dying stole the headlines, which might have been good enough to have ridden to an early election on.
Psamathe wrote: ↑29 Sep 2022, 12:24pm
The excerpts I heard were weak maybe because of the short time limits (5 mins). Interviewer has a list of questions and when answer Truss gives does not answer the question instead of challenging Truss to actually answer they move on to next question as the 5 mins is running out.
The short time definitely intentional to limit follow ups but I think R4 being kind in its clips. Check out the Stoke chap pressing her on mortgages (she basically just clams up), or the Bristol guy calling out her scripted answers.
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Pebble wrote: ↑29 Sep 2022, 1:44pm
Can King Prince Charles not step in and kick them out, there has to come a point when he does something useful in his life.
