She's appointed Suella Braverman to cover that aspect.pete75 wrote: ↑6 Oct 2022, 1:07pm...Unlike you though, she's not anti immigrant , indeed she admires hard working east Europeans.
Ian
She's appointed Suella Braverman to cover that aspect.pete75 wrote: ↑6 Oct 2022, 1:07pm...Unlike you though, she's not anti immigrant , indeed she admires hard working east Europeans.
You don't seem to be aware of the primary intent of Truss and her backers. It's fundamentally to reduce government and its institutions to an absolute minimum, leaving financiers, rentiers and big business with a free rein (and reign) even greater than they already have now. She'll damage and destroy as much "government" as she can to provide that "free market" she and her puppeteers are always seeking - a market in which only capital and its owners are free, to exploit the rest of us and "their" resources in any way they see fit, which will include an even greater planet rape & pillage than heretofore.pwa wrote: ↑6 Oct 2022, 8:55amYou overestimate her strengths. She is a rubbish orator. She doesn't have her MPs behind her. And her growth project, if it works at all, may take years to pay dividends. And while an election might be two years away, her party will not want to embark on the last twelve months of that with a very unpopular leader showing no sign of turning things around.Cugel wrote: ↑6 Oct 2022, 8:35am At present, The Truss and familiars are setting up their ultra-neolib stall, inclusive of the nominations of various mythical enemies, such as "the enemies of growth" added to "the woke" and those pesky "climate fanatics". There is no general election yet so she can be as mad as she likes. All sorts of precedents will be set that will be very difficult to rescind. For example, she is at present intent on dismantling the civil service, from which many howls of pain and dismay are emanating. Benefit claimants are for it too. Watch the NHS left to rot and die over the next two years.
Come election time, there'll be more effective rabble rousers to distract "the people" from their various difficulties with eating, heating and shelter. The usual favourite is a war, in which some of those evil folk beginning at Calais can be vilified and made the evil enemy all troo patriots must fight, rather than criticising their patriotic leaders. Lizzy has a habit of making belligerent noises about various foreign enemies.
"Shock & Awe" in action.
Wait, watch and see.
Cugel
Pete75, never above a bit of baiting when he's bored.pete75 wrote: ↑6 Oct 2022, 1:07pmYes I know but she ain't now. No one as zealous as a convert. Once again an example of a brexit supporter causing division. Unlike you though, she's not anti immigrant , indeed she admires hard working east Europeans.
It's not her talking that concerns me,but her and her government's madcap ideas and the damage they are capable of between now and the next GE!Psamathe wrote: ↑6 Oct 2022, 11:58amThat is the main thing I noticed seeing the excerpts from her speech on TV News. Ignoring the twaddle coming out of her mouth she comes across very badly, no "presence", nothing convincing (unless you are already "a believer"). She is really useless at standing-up and public speaking. Useless at interviews as well.
Ian
Indeed, she reminds me of the mad hatter, gone down the rabbit hole...reohn2 wrote: ↑6 Oct 2022, 2:40pmIt's not her talking that concerns me,but her and her government's madcap ideas and the damage they are capable of between now and the next GE!Psamathe wrote: ↑6 Oct 2022, 11:58amThat is the main thing I noticed seeing the excerpts from her speech on TV News. Ignoring the twaddle coming out of her mouth she comes across very badly, no "presence", nothing convincing (unless you are already "a believer"). She is really useless at standing-up and public speaking. Useless at interviews as well.
Ian
Good point, well made.
Hmmm I recall you giving that as your reason for supporting Brexit - too many EU migrants and you certainly didn't give the impression you thought too many German or Dutch or French people were coming here.pwa wrote: ↑6 Oct 2022, 1:53pmPete75, never above a bit of baiting when he's bored.
Some don't recognise, some won't admit and others think that any action they take must be right because they have taken it.Psamathe wrote: ↑6 Oct 2022, 5:07pm When they put their crashing the economy down to "external factors" and "what is happening around the world" I get confused as to whether they are so dumb they cannot see what they've done and cause or are they just so arrogant that they can't bring themselves to admit what they've done.
Either makes them somewhat unsuited to positions of power, but I do wonder "to dumb to recognise what they've done" vs "inability to admit their fault".
Ian
I spelled my views out carefully for you on numerous occasions, but you still bring it back to the table as if I had said I didn't like migrants. Which I didn't say, and have refuted every time you have said that is what I said. You know what you are doing and so do I.pete75 wrote: ↑6 Oct 2022, 5:08pmHmmm I recall you giving that as your reason for supporting Brexit - too many EU migrants and you certainly didn't give the impression you thought too many German or Dutch or French people were coming here.
I've always struggled with the ideals of migration issue myself. On one side there's the side of me who wants uk to be food secure and for the countryside to receive more protection from development...pwa wrote: ↑6 Oct 2022, 7:49pmI spelled my views out carefully for you on numerous occasions, but you still bring it back to the table as if I had said I didn't like migrants. Which I didn't say, and have refuted every time you have said that is what I said. You know what you are doing and so do I.
There is a difference between disliking migrants and, on the other hand, just wanting better balanced migration with numbers coming in being more like the numbers going out. I'd have thought somone capable of nuanced discussion would have grasped that by now.
For anyone who isn't familiar with my views, I am keen on balanced migration that doesn't lead to unsustainable population growth, but I am also in favour of welcoming migrants who wish to make a positive contribution to UK life. In a balanced way. Whether they be from Eastern Europe, Eastern Asia, or anywhere else. That is not an "anti-migrant" stance.
I don't see those as conflicting.cycle tramp wrote: ↑6 Oct 2022, 9:03pmI've always struggled with the migration issue myself. On one side there's the side of me who wants uk to be food secure and for the countryside to receive more protection from development...pwa wrote: ↑6 Oct 2022, 7:49pmI spelled my views out carefully for you on numerous occasions, but you still bring it back to the table as if I had said I didn't like migrants. Which I didn't say, and have refuted every time you have said that is what I said. You know what you are doing and so do I.
There is a difference between disliking migrants and, on the other hand, just wanting better balanced migration with numbers coming in being more like the numbers going out. I'd have thought somone capable of nuanced discussion would have grasped that by now.
For anyone who isn't familiar with my views, I am keen on balanced migration that doesn't lead to unsustainable population growth, but I am also in favour of welcoming migrants who wish to make a positive contribution to UK life. In a balanced way. Whether they be from Eastern Europe, Eastern Asia, or anywhere else. That is not an "anti-migrant" stance.
..on the other side of me is someone who thinks we should welcome those who are persecuted, who are at risk of harm and who face a very unsecure future..
..there has to be some balance somewhere... without going all Jules Verne Propeller Island.
I just wonder if we're going run out of land, y'know.Psamathe wrote: ↑6 Oct 2022, 9:06pmI don't see those as conflicting.cycle tramp wrote: ↑6 Oct 2022, 9:03pmI've always struggled with the migration issue myself. On one side there's the side of me who wants uk to be food secure and for the countryside to receive more protection from development...pwa wrote: ↑6 Oct 2022, 7:49pm
I spelled my views out carefully for you on numerous occasions, but you still bring it back to the table as if I had said I didn't like migrants. Which I didn't say, and have refuted every time you have said that is what I said. You know what you are doing and so do I.
There is a difference between disliking migrants and, on the other hand, just wanting better balanced migration with numbers coming in being more like the numbers going out. I'd have thought somone capable of nuanced discussion would have grasped that by now.
For anyone who isn't familiar with my views, I am keen on balanced migration that doesn't lead to unsustainable population growth, but I am also in favour of welcoming migrants who wish to make a positive contribution to UK life. In a balanced way. Whether they be from Eastern Europe, Eastern Asia, or anywhere else. That is not an "anti-migrant" stance.
..on the other side of me is someone who thinks we should welcome those who are persecuted, who are at risk of harm and who face a very unsecure future..
..there has to be some balance somewhere... without going all Jules Verne Propeller Island.
Ian