Are we all Trussed up...

[jois]

There have been many comments from Brexit supporting MPs that they were in favour of moving away from following EU standards. They don't have to but I suspect they will until they realize the costs in producing things to two different standards for the same product.

There are some standard around health and safety and health and safety management. That they have in their sights. This is the " red tape" they like to refere to.

I'm not in agreement with scrapping these. But that's not the same as effecting exports.

The EU won't like it as it may give us an advantage in the ,,"trade war"

It's early days but on food standards, electrical standards etc the temptation to go for our own standards may be on the cards.
There is talk of matching UK standards to the EU's but it's not a policy.
If it's only health and safety and safety management, then what was the talk of a bonfire of EU rules about?
I'm afraid the lure of additional profit if standards are lowered and must be tempting to some employers.

Depends which standards, I think the context was the British standards standards. There are a whole load of rules that arnt in British standards

I think it maybe quite small bonfire

[jois]

Thanks

Why?

There have been few.im not going through every one

The Scottish independence referendums was about disbanding the Union whilst only allowing a small number of citizens of the Union to vote. The other 60million had to like it or lump it. That's not democratic in my book.

I think they missed a trick to be honest. I would have voted to throw them out

Why was it more democratic than the other referendums in which voting was open across the United Kingdom?

Thanks

Jonathan

Can you give me one you have in mind please

[Jdsk]

There have been few.im not going through every one

The Scottish independence referendums was about disbanding the Union whilst only allowing a small number of citizens of the Union to vote. The other 60million had to like it or lump it. That's not democratic in my book.

I think they missed a trick to be honest. I would have voted to throw them out

Why was it more democratic than the other referendums in which voting was open across the United Kingdom?

Can you give me one you have in mind please

Considering one won't help: you asserted that "The only truly democratic thing we have done in about 50 years was the (2016) referendum". For that to be the case it has to be more "truly democratic" than all of the other referendums.

And all of the other national, regional and local elections. And all of the legislation. And all of the constitutional changes.

Jonathan

[reohn2]

Which is why it's a good idea to be discussing now how we can improve wealth generation by improving trade.

Jonathan

And not giving tax breaks to the wealthiest in our society on the assumption(read lies)that their wealth will somehow make those suffering most better off!

I'm not sure that's the assumption stated or other wise.it doesn't depend on the richer people doing more than spending or investing the money. I don't think the idea is they hand it out at street corners.

No they keep it for themselves and those at the bottom of the pile suffer like they always do in a capitalist system that gives to them that alread have and deprives them that don't.

EDIT:- i've just heard someone who "works in the city" claiming he and others like him on six figure sums,deserve the tax cuts.
Though when asked about whether nurses deserve the same tax cut and asked where he thought his taxes went,claimed that his present taxes didn't go to nurses pay but some how was lost somewhere in government coffers.
Well he was right about the current government under Johnson and it's about to get worse under the Truss government as there'll be less money in those coffers to pay nureses along with anyone else in the public service sector!

I'm arguing that it's rational not that it's moral

Here's how irrational the current bunch of morons are,lead by Truss.
They were dead against immigration so much so,selling Brexit(sorry)depended on it and that they wanted to deport the wrong immigrants to Rwanda.
Now suddenly they've decided we need immigrants to fill all the jobs UK citizens can't fill.

[jois]

Why was it more democratic than the other referendums in which voting was open across the United Kingdom?

Can you give me one you have in mind please

Considering one won't help: you asserted that "The only truly democratic thing we have done in about 50 years was the (2016) referendum". For that to be the case it has to be more "truly democratic" than all of the other referendums.

And all of the other national, regional and local elections. And all of the legislation. And all of the constitutional changes.

Jonathan

That is my opinion, it's fine if you want to disagree.

I'm happy to try and illustrate why I've formed that opinion but I'm not working through the whole list

[roubaixtuesday]

And there seem a fair number (anecdotally e.g. here) of people who voted Leave and are now saying "this is not the Brexit I voted for".

Ian

Makes me laugh and cry every time I hear that.

They're getting exactly what every expert warned them they'd get.

Experts? Pffft.

Oh, and the proper quote from what I posted earlier

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.

H. L. Mencken

Now, of course, we have the predictable ideological consequence of Brexit, a government run by the True Believers. Naturally, they still believe they know better than experts. Difference is they're getting judged in real time by the markets, not given to being convinced rhetoric and xenophobia and giving a devastating verdict on this wholly inadequate shower.

[Jdsk]

Can you give me one you have in mind please

Considering one won't help: you asserted that "The only truly democratic thing we have done in about 50 years was the (2016) referendum". For that to be the case it has to be more "truly democratic" than all of the other referendums.

And all of the other national, regional and local elections. And all of the legislation. And all of the constitutional changes.

That is my opinion, it's fine if you want to disagree.

I'm happy to try and illustrate why I've formed that opinion but I'm not working through the whole list

It was down to two with the restriction that voting was open across the United Kingdom... why was it "truly democratic" when those weren't?

Thanks

Jonathan

[jois]

And not giving tax breaks to the wealthiest in our society on the assumption(read lies)that their wealth will somehow make those suffering most better off!

I'm not sure that's the assumption stated or other wise.it doesn't depend on the richer people doing more than spending or investing the money. I don't think the idea is they hand it out at street corners.

No they keep it for themselves and those ar the bottom of the pile suffer likenthey always do in a capitalist system that gives to them that alread have and deprives them that don't.

I'm arguing that it's rational not that it's moral

Here's how irrational the current bunch of morons are,lead by Truss.
They were dead against immigration so much so,selling Brexit(sorry)depended on it and that they wanted to deport the wrong immigrants to Rwanda.
Now suddenly they've decided we need immigrants to fill all the jobs UK citizens can't fill.

We always "needed "migrants. They keep wages down and house prices up . And ramp up GDP. That's why they are so unsuccessful at stopping migration, they really only want to make a fuss and let it carry on

[Jdsk]

Now, of course, we have the predictable ideological consequence of Brexit, a government run by the True Believers. Naturally, they still believe they know better than experts. Difference is they're getting judged in real time by the markets, not given to being convinced rhetoric and xenophobia and giving a devastating verdict on this wholly inadequate shower.

Does this remind everyone else of Mike Tyson's one great quote?

Jonathan

[jois]

Considering one won't help: you asserted that "The only truly democratic thing we have done in about 50 years was the (2016) referendum". For that to be the case it has to be more "truly democratic" than all of the other referendums.

And all of the other national, regional and local elections. And all of the legislation. And all of the constitutional changes.

That is my opinion, it's fine if you want to disagree.

I'm happy to try and illustrate why I've formed that opinion but I'm not working through the whole list

It was down to two with the restriction that voting was open across the United Kingdom... why was it "truly democratic" when those weren't?

Thanks

Jonathan

Two is still a list and I still invite you to pick one otherwise youl just bounce the other one at me

[roubaixtuesday]

I'm not sure that's the assumption stated or other wise.it doesn't depend on the richer people doing more than spending or investing the money. I don't think the idea is they hand it out at street corners.

No they keep it for themselves and those ar the bottom of the pile suffer likenthey always do in a capitalist system that gives to them that alread have and deprives them that don't.

I'm arguing that it's rational not that it's moral

Here's how irrational the current bunch of morons are,lead by Truss.
They were dead against immigration so much so,selling Brexit(sorry)depended on it and that they wanted to deport the wrong immigrants to Rwanda.
Now suddenly they've decided we need immigrants to fill all the jobs UK citizens can't fill.

We always "needed "migrants. They keep wages down and house prices up . And ramp up GDP. That's why they are so unsuccessful at stopping migration, they really only want to make a fuss and let it carry on

If you think migrants are what drives up house prices, I have a bridge covered in flats owned by Chinese investors to sell you.

[Jdsk]

That is my opinion, it's fine if you want to disagree.

I'm happy to try and illustrate why I've formed that opinion but I'm not working through the whole list

It was down to two with the restriction that voting was open across the United Kingdom... why was it "truly democratic" when those weren't?

Two is still a list and I still invite you to pick one otherwise youl just bounce the other one at me

Why was the 2016 referendum "truly democratic" but not the UK-wide 1975 referendum or the UK-wide 2011 referendum?

Thanks

Jonathan

[reohn2]

We always "needed "migrants. They keep wages down and house prices up . And ramp up GDP. That's why they are so unsuccessful at stopping migration, they really only want to make a fuss and let it carry on

But it needn't be that way with a fairer society,one the Tories aren't really interested in!

[jois]

We always "needed "migrants. They keep wages down and house prices up . And ramp up GDP. That's why they are so unsuccessful at stopping migration, they really only want to make a fuss and let it carry on

But it needn't be that way with a fairer society,one the Tories aren't really interested in!

Tony Blair was big on immigration for the same financial reasons and they lied about it as well

[roubaixtuesday]