Are we all Trussed up...

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Jdsk
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And how he kisses the deceitful fount;
and how he thrusts his arms to catch the neck
that's pictured in the middle of the stream!
Yet never may he wreathe his arms around
that image of himself. He knows not what
he there beholds, but what he sees inflames
his longing, and the error that deceives
allures his eyes. But why, O foolish boy,
so vainly catching at this flitting form?
The cheat that you are seeking has no place.
Avert your gaze and you will lose your love,
for this that holds your eyes is nothing save
the image of yourself reflected back to you.
It comes and waits with you; it has no life;
it will depart if you will only go.
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To me it looks like Sunak will go forward un-opposed. He’s got two years in which to turn things around and that’s a long time in politics.

My estimation is that Sunak will loose the next GE, there’s just too much damage done already for him to overcome and the ‘red wall’ votes were on a single issue that was particularly important to those people - some of those red wall seats will return to Labour at the next GE. However with good damage limitation Sunak’s likely to loose by a small margin and Labour could yet do something stupid. Starmer will likely lead Labour to victory but to do so all of his party will have to fall in behind him …
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Carlton green wrote: 23 Oct 2022, 10:09pm To me it looks like Sunak will go forward un-opposed. He’s got two years in which to turn things around and that’s a long time in politics.

My estimation is that Sunak will loose the next GE, there’s just too much damage done already for him to overcome and the ‘red wall’ votes were on a single issue that was particularly important to those people - some of those red wall seats will return to Labour at the next GE. However with good damage limitation Sunak’s likely to loose by a small margin and Labour could yet do something stupid. Starmer will likely lead Labour to victory but to do so all of his party will have to fall in behind him …
I agree. An issue with the "red wall" is they need investment/money and whilst investment in infrastructure is often not so concerning to markets we'll be going into austerity and borrowing for infrastructure means interest as well as repayments and for significant infrastructure 2 years is a bit short so by next General Election red wall voters will be feeling short-changed by soundbites.

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Carlton green wrote: 23 Oct 2022, 10:09pm To me it looks like Sunak will go forward un-opposed. He’s got two years in which to turn things around and that’s a long time in politics.

My estimation is that Sunak will loose the next GE, there’s just too much damage done already for him to overcome and the ‘red wall’ votes were on a single issue that was particularly important to those people - some of those red wall seats will return to Labour at the next GE. However with good damage limitation Sunak’s likely to loose by a small margin and Labour could yet do something stupid. Starmer will likely lead Labour to victory but to do so all of his party will have to fall in behind him …
I agree. Mordaunt is very likely to concede defeat sooner rather than later, leaving Sunak unopposed.
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Mordaunt may pick up half the BJ vote,perhaps gaining 35 votes. My guess could have got 70 from forgiving friends, and fools.
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mumbojumbo wrote: 24 Oct 2022, 6:24am Mordaunt may pick up half the BJ vote,perhaps gaining 35 votes. My guess could have got 70 from forgiving friends, and fools.
Unknown is a lot of MPs who have not decided or not made their decision public. A fair number of Johnson supporters hate Sunak seeing him as the one who started Johnson's downfall (they fail to recognise Johnson's character caused his own downfall). Difficult to predict anything.

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Psamathe wrote: 24 Oct 2022, 10:05am
mumbojumbo wrote: 24 Oct 2022, 6:24am Mordaunt may pick up half the BJ vote,perhaps gaining 35 votes. My guess could have got 70 from forgiving friends, and fools.
Unknown is a lot of MPs who have not decided or not made their decision public. A fair number of Johnson supporters hate Sunak seeing him as the one who started Johnson's downfall (they fail to recognise Johnson's character caused his own downfall). Difficult to predict anything.

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If it goes to a party membership vote Mordaunt will get it. This still holds true.

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When all this undemocratic electioneering circus faff is done and Sunak becomes the next Bonkers Brexit Bleeding Britain PM, he will be the very first PM of colour; greenbacks, gold, silver, coppers, brass, to name a few, very first Billionaire hedge fund manager who filled his boots in the 2008 financial market crash while the rest of us were deliberately forced to suffer the bitter consequences of actions from disreputable people like him.

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We need a General Election Now!
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Although no proven cause and effect interesting "coincidence" that Johnson ends his leadership bid and Gov. borrowing costs drop and markets recover a bit.

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Debs wrote: 24 Oct 2022, 11:55am When all this undemocratic electioneering circus faff is done and Sunak becomes the next Bonkers Brexit Bleeding Britain PM, he will be the very first PM of colour; greenbacks, gold, silver, coppers, brass, to name a few, very first Billionaire hedge fund manager who filled his boots in the 2008 financial market crash while the rest of us were deliberately forced to suffer the bitter consequences of actions from disreputable people like him.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/rishi- ... u-to-know/

We need a General Election Now!
Indeed. This fellow is just as big a rascal as all the others.

It astonishes me that i) it's legal and ii) folk don't seem to care, that these Tory monsters can so obviously pursue their political careers solely as a means to improve the legal & cultural conditions that allow them to commit their parasitic robberies of value from those who produce it to those who not only suck it from them but establish the conditions (modern capitalism) to allow this sucking to be increased until the victims are close to empty shells, reliant on food banks and now warm banks, starving and freezing nevertheless because even these ad hoc charities can't keep up with the ever-increasing demand.

Why is a hedge fund manager (actual or by proxy) allowed anywhere near Parliament?

As I recall. over 200 Tory MPs have second jobs working for "the private sector", where their only "loyalty" lies. The rest are in thrall to the ideology,or just the raw power, of these gangsters. They are the exact opposite of what an MP is supposed to be - a representative of the interests of their constituents - and not just the Tory Party member gharks & hoos who seem to consist entirely of atavistic throwbacks from the most degrading periods of the C18th.

The word for this pretence that Tories are members of "a representative government" whilst they are in fact only representing a tiny set of highly exploitative and damaging financial interests, is "corruption". It's very easy to smell the stench of it; and to observe the rots in every part of our society. How is it that ordinary folk are not aghast at finding themselves in the rotting corpse of our so-called democracy?

One answer is: the power of the mass media to construct minds, complete with all the very stupid opinions encapsulating the various Establishment "reasons" for maintaining and strengthening the status quo. The markets must be not only appeased but stroked and serviced in every way. Starving and freezing second raters are just the undeserving poor and a necessary collateral damage to maintain our wonderful freedoms (for capitalist 8a$tids to exploit, degrade, rape & pillage everything and every one they touch).

Many are convinced by mass media propaganda such as that of The Daily Hate Mail and The Torygraph that the real problem is those "woke" or "socialist" folk, who are all just lazy and envious ne'er-do-wells that need a good prosecuting if they say or do owt not wholly "patriotic" in recognising and supporting the (non) government. So much easier to bash a poverty-stricken neighbour than to deal with the richman in his castle, eh?

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Cugel wrote: 24 Oct 2022, 12:33pm
Debs wrote: 24 Oct 2022, 11:55am When all this undemocratic electioneering circus faff is done and Sunak becomes the next Bonkers Brexit Bleeding Britain PM, he will be the very first PM of colour; greenbacks, gold, silver, coppers, brass, to name a few, very first Billionaire hedge fund manager who filled his boots in the 2008 financial market crash while the rest of us were deliberately forced to suffer the bitter consequences of actions from disreputable people like him.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/rishi- ... u-to-know/

We need a General Election Now!
Indeed. This fellow is just as big a rascal as all the others.
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Language is important and I think it allows Johnson to get away with a lot. Calling him "a rascal" makes it a bit of a joke, light hearted, a lovable rogue - where reality is he is very dangerous (we can't ask opinions from the vast number now dead thanks to his Covid inaction at times). Even the name "Boris" has a lighthearted jovial ring to it. All helps him and he plays on it and gets away with lots.

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Indeed. It's his buffoonery and joviality that has endeared him to many folks (apparently, though I fail to understand why). I've refused to mention him by his first name since his time as mayor of London because (as you rightly say) it plays right into his hands. It's been all too clear for a long time that he's a sociopathic narcissist and compulsive liar. When the mask slips (as it does occasionally when questioned by decent journalists) you see the real man. Gone is the veneer of the clown entertainer - just a nasty, smug, self-centred idiot.

His crowning success, apparently, is in "getting Brexit done", thus plunging the country into decades of declining living standards for all but the wealthiest. A fitting epitaph!
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Psamathe wrote: 24 Oct 2022, 12:39pm
Cugel wrote: 24 Oct 2022, 12:33pm Indeed. This fellow is just as big a rascal as all the others.
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Language is important and I think it allows Johnson to get away with a lot. Calling him "a rascal" makes it a bit of a joke, light hearted, a lovable rogue - where reality is he is very dangerous (we can't ask opinions from the vast number now dead thanks to his Covid inaction at times). Even the name "Boris" has a lighthearted jovial ring to it. All helps him and he plays on it and gets away with lots.

Ian
Err... I think Cugel was referring to Sunak rather than Johnson, though in either case lighthearted they're not.
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PH wrote: 24 Oct 2022, 1:17pm
Psamathe wrote: 24 Oct 2022, 12:39pm
Cugel wrote: 24 Oct 2022, 12:33pm Indeed. This fellow is just as big a rascal as all the others.
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Language is important and I think it allows Johnson to get away with a lot. Calling him "a rascal" makes it a bit of a joke, light hearted, a lovable rogue - where reality is he is very dangerous (we can't ask opinions from the vast number now dead thanks to his Covid inaction at times). Even the name "Boris" has a lighthearted jovial ring to it. All helps him and he plays on it and gets away with lots.

Ian
Err... I think Cugel was referring to Sunak rather than Johnson, though in either case lighthearted they're not.
My mistake. But I do think language used about Johnson helps him get away with so much.

Ian
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