Are we all Trussed up...

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Jdsk
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roubaixtuesday wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:00pm "These ideologues are treating people like lab rats"

Another condemnation of the "Conservative" government from one of their own, in this case a former mp

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... eng-labour
As always it's worth listening to people with whom we disagree:

"Sacking Kwarteng wouldn’t solve Truss’s problems":
https://conservativehome.com/2022/09/29 ... -problems/

"My purpose is not to argue that the Chancellor must stay. Nor, by the way, to suggest that the Party should have a fourth leadership election within less than ten years. Rather, it is to point out that there are now no good options. An unappetising choice looms before Conservative MPs."

Jonathan
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Re: Are we all Trussed up...

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Jdsk wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:07pm
roubaixtuesday wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:00pm "These ideologues are treating people like lab rats"

Another condemnation of the "Conservative" government from one of their own, in this case a former mp

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... eng-labour
As always it's worth listening to people with whom we disagree:

"Sacking Kwarteng wouldn’t solve Truss’s problems":
https://conservativehome.com/2022/09/29 ... -problems/

"My purpose is not to argue that the Chancellor must stay. Nor, by the way, to suggest that the Party should have a fourth leadership election within less than ten years. Rather, it is to point out that there are now no good options. An unappetising choice looms before Conservative MPs."

Jonathan
I'm prepared to wager a tenner to charity with the first taker that Johnson is back within a year

The only good option they have if that means getting re-elected is ...johnson
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Re: Are we all Trussed up...

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Bonefishblues wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 12:44pm

.....It's like engaging with an automaton. It's the lack of emotion that's utterly chilling.....
Rory Stewart in the interview I linked to up thread hit the nail squarely on the head about Truss.
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roubaixtuesday
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Re: Are we all Trussed up...

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Jdsk wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:07pm
roubaixtuesday wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:00pm "These ideologues are treating people like lab rats"

Another condemnation of the "Conservative" government from one of their own, in this case a former mp

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... eng-labour
As always it's worth listening to people with whom we disagree:

"Sacking Kwarteng wouldn’t solve Truss’s problems":
https://conservativehome.com/2022/09/29 ... -problems/

"My purpose is not to argue that the Chancellor must stay. Nor, by the way, to suggest that the Party should have a fourth leadership election within less than ten years. Rather, it is to point out that there are now no good options. An unappetising choice looms before Conservative MPs."

Jonathan
Which bit of it do you disagree with?
roubaixtuesday
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Re: Are we all Trussed up...

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jois wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:21pm
Jdsk wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:07pm
roubaixtuesday wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:00pm "These ideologues are treating people like lab rats"

Another condemnation of the "Conservative" government from one of their own, in this case a former mp

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... eng-labour
As always it's worth listening to people with whom we disagree:

"Sacking Kwarteng wouldn’t solve Truss’s problems":
https://conservativehome.com/2022/09/29 ... -problems/

"My purpose is not to argue that the Chancellor must stay. Nor, by the way, to suggest that the Party should have a fourth leadership election within less than ten years. Rather, it is to point out that there are now no good options. An unappetising choice looms before Conservative MPs."

Jonathan
I'm prepared to wager a tenner to charity with the first taker that Johnson is back within a year

The only good option they have if that means getting re-elected is ...johnson
You're on. My charity is hope not hate.
Jdsk
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Re: Are we all Trussed up...

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roubaixtuesday wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:46pm
Jdsk wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:07pm
roubaixtuesday wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:00pm "These ideologues are treating people like lab rats"

Another condemnation of the "Conservative" government from one of their own, in this case a former mp

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... eng-labour
As always it's worth listening to people with whom we disagree:

"Sacking Kwarteng wouldn’t solve Truss’s problems":
https://conservativehome.com/2022/09/29 ... -problems/

"My purpose is not to argue that the Chancellor must stay. Nor, by the way, to suggest that the Party should have a fourth leadership election within less than ten years. Rather, it is to point out that there are now no good options. An unappetising choice looms before Conservative MPs."
Which bit of it do you disagree with?
It's ConservativeHome!

But they can say things that are interesting. And/or true.

Jonathan
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Re: Are we all Trussed up...

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Jdsk wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:49pm
roubaixtuesday wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:46pm
Jdsk wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:07pm
As always it's worth listening to people with whom we disagree:

"Sacking Kwarteng wouldn’t solve Truss’s problems":
https://conservativehome.com/2022/09/29 ... -problems/

"My purpose is not to argue that the Chancellor must stay. Nor, by the way, to suggest that the Party should have a fourth leadership election within less than ten years. Rather, it is to point out that there are now no good options. An unappetising choice looms before Conservative MPs."
Which bit of it do you disagree with?
It's ConservativeHome!

But they can say things that are interesting. And/or true.

Jonathan
Ah, forgive me.

You're saying you agree with the content of this piece despite generally disagreeing with most of ConservativeHome?
Jdsk
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Not quite on the first bit: I'm saying that it's worth reading to show what they're thinking, not that I'm agreeing with it.

Jonathan
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Jdsk wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:54pm Not quite on the first bit: I'm saying that it's worth reading to show what they're thinking, not that I'm agreeing with it.

Jonathan
Do you agree with it?
Jdsk
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Re: Are we all Trussed up...

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If the piece that he has italicised is the most important then I agree with that: there are no good options for them.

From the point of view of Conservative MPs I disagree. Restoring the highest marginal rate of income tax and sacking the Chancellor would buy some time and make them feel a lot better than not doing either.

On the use of Alice I'm mixed. I'd rather that she wasn't associated in any way with this debacle. But I agree that we're deep into magical thinking.

Jonathan
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Re: Are we all Trussed up...

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roubaixtuesday wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:47pm
jois wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:21pm
Jdsk wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:07pm
As always it's worth listening to people with whom we disagree:

"Sacking Kwarteng wouldn’t solve Truss’s problems":
https://conservativehome.com/2022/09/29 ... -problems/

"My purpose is not to argue that the Chancellor must stay. Nor, by the way, to suggest that the Party should have a fourth leadership election within less than ten years. Rather, it is to point out that there are now no good options. An unappetising choice looms before Conservative MPs."

Jonathan
I'm prepared to wager a tenner to charity with the first taker that Johnson is back within a year

The only good option they have if that means getting re-elected is ...johnson
You're on. My charity is hope not hate.
The international donkey charity, il post the correct details when I win
Jdsk
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Re: Are we all Trussed up...

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Jdsk wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 12:51pm
PH wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 12:46pm
Jdsk wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 12:43pm
What's Ofgem's wording, please?
...
"The table below shows the average price-capped rates for a customer with typical usage paying by direct debit."
https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/information-co ... ffects-you
That seems pretty clear. Typical usage isn't as good as average usage.

But Truss has added those weird negatives, such as no family will be facing a typical fuel bill of more than £2,500.
The briefing notes from Conservative Campaign Headquarters:
https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/ ... 21/photo/1

On the use of "typical":

Screenshot 2022-09-29 at 15.12.27.png

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Re: Are we all Trussed up...

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Jdsk wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:07pm
roubaixtuesday wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 2:00pm "These ideologues are treating people like lab rats"

Another condemnation of the "Conservative" government from one of their own, in this case a former mp

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... eng-labour
As always it's worth listening to people with whom we disagree:

"Sacking Kwarteng wouldn’t solve Truss’s problems":
https://conservativehome.com/2022/09/29 ... -problems/

"My purpose is not to argue that the Chancellor must stay. Nor, by the way, to suggest that the Party should have a fourth leadership election within less than ten years. Rather, it is to point out that there are now no good options. An unappetising choice looms before Conservative MPs."
More of the same from the Deputy Editor of the Spectator:

"What do Tory MPs think of Liz Truss? A ‘toxic bomb’ that could sink the party":
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... sink-party

(No reference to Alice.)

Jonathan
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Re: Are we all Trussed up...

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jois wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 3:08pm
The international donkey charity, il post the correct details when I win
Blimey, what's an international donkey?
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Re: Are we all Trussed up...

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Jdsk wrote: 29 Sep 2022, 3:06pm

On the use of Alice I'm mixed. I'd rather that she wasn't associated in any way with this debacle. But I agree that we're deep into magical thinking.

The Conservative Party has been in Red Queen territory since the Brexit vote.
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