Are we all Trussed up...

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francovendee
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Debs wrote: 20 Sep 2022, 11:22pm
Stevek76 wrote: 20 Sep 2022, 10:21pm It'll matter to the conservative MPs who aren't intending on losing their seats at the next election.

If Truss doesn't start improving thier polling those MPs will be sharpening the knives they've only just put away.
But there are no longer any conservative MPs, they all lost their seats in 2019, there is no true government either, the incumbent cabal is made up of ERGs and Brexitards, and they're all a complete bunch of loons... or maybe criminally intelligent who know darn well they will get a hammering in the next GE, so have embarked upon a shopping trolly dash of money making scams for their paymasters and political party back room donators, and this will be good for growth of billionaires bank accounts in the off-shore tax havens...

When Labour win the next GE, they will inherit a bankrupt treasury, and with a trillion pound debt.
And the sad thing the Tory media won't be blaming and shaming their Party. Unlike when the came to power 13 years ago.
In my view a future labour government will have a massive challenge from this lot's legacy.
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francovendee wrote: 21 Sep 2022, 9:42am ........In my view a future labour government will have a massive challenge from this lot's legacy.
And so the cycle will continue.......
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This just about sums it up but sadly delivered to an almost empty H of C

https://twitter.com/Imalright_Jack/stat ... ZAAWw&s=19

I'm reading Danny Dorling's 'Rule Britannia - Brexit and the end of Empire', I think she must have too.

And the latest is Ms Truss vaunting Neoliberalism and 'Trickle-down' economics on the same day that even Joe Biden has said that 'trickle-down' is a total myth.

Bring on the revolution
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Stradageek wrote: 21 Sep 2022, 10:15am This just about sums it up but sadly delivered to an almost empty H of C

https://twitter.com/Imalright_Jack/stat ... ZAAWw&s=19

I'm reading Danny Dorling's 'Rule Britannia - Brexit and the end of Empire', I think she must have too.

And the latest is Ms Truss vaunting Neoliberalism and 'Trickle-down' economics on the same day that even Joe Biden has said that 'trickle-down' is a total myth.

Bring on the revolution
And when she's just realised there's no realistic prospect of a free trade deal with the US anytime in the next few years.
I'm sure Truss knows trickle down is a myth but uses it to justify tax cuts and income increases for the wealthy.
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Stradageek wrote: 21 Sep 2022, 10:15am This just about sums it up but sadly delivered to an almost empty H of C

https://twitter.com/Imalright_Jack/stat ... ZAAWw&s=19
Yes, but left to the SNP.
Where is the Labour Party? I wish I had the confidence that some show about them winning another election, they don't seem to be doing much to bring that about, or seem to have any plan of what to do in the unlikely event that they found themselves in power.
I don't know the answers, I've never known the answers, but all my life I've been able to offer my support to someone who looked like they did. Now I don't even know if there is a solution, the Tory damage isn't going to be reversed in one term, and anyone attempting to start that process would have to be pretty radical to make a noticeable enough difference in a first term to stand a chance of getting a second. Can anyone imagine the current Labour Party doing that?
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PH wrote: 21 Sep 2022, 11:18am ............ Can anyone imagine the current Labour Party doing that?
No,in a word.
If they were they'd need to be far more radical than they appear to be presently! :?
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pete75 wrote: 21 Sep 2022, 10:24am I'm sure Truss knows trickle down is a myth but uses it to justify tax cuts and income increases for the wealthy.
The really scary thing is that don't think she does know it's a myth, I believe she's daft/indoctrinated enough to think it's true :(
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reohn2 wrote: 21 Sep 2022, 1:28pm
PH wrote: 21 Sep 2022, 11:18am ............ Can anyone imagine the current Labour Party doing that?
No,in a word.
If they were they'd need to be far more radical than they appear to be presently! :?
And sadly, to paraphrase Danny Dorling slightly, we live in a world where people believe that politicians who are clever enough to get the top jobs must be clever enough to run the country. Which is as daft as thinking being a hereditary monarch makes you a suitable candidate to be a king :roll:

When will we learn that the 'Elite' are actually a parasite class representing the cream of British society only in as much as they are 'Rich and Thick' to quote Samuel Beckett, I think.
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reohn2 wrote: 21 Sep 2022, 1:28pm
PH wrote: 21 Sep 2022, 11:18am ............ Can anyone imagine the current Labour Party doing that?
No,in a word.
If they were they'd need to be far more radical than they appear to be presently! :?
Agreed but the media would do what they did to Corbyn. if Labour publish a manifesto proposing the changes really needed then the right wing would smear it with the brown stuff and win another term. Truss would have to do really badly to lose to someone like Corbyn.
Sad but it's true it's the swing from the middle that decides elections.
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Stradageek wrote: 21 Sep 2022, 2:44pm
reohn2 wrote: 21 Sep 2022, 1:28pm
PH wrote: 21 Sep 2022, 11:18am ............ Can anyone imagine the current Labour Party doing that?
No,in a word.
If they were they'd need to be far more radical than they appear to be presently! :?
And sadly, to paraphrase Danny Dorling slightly, we live in a world where people believe that politicians who are clever enough to get the top jobs must be clever enough to run the country. Which is as daft as thinking being a hereditary monarch makes you a suitable candidate to be a king :roll:

When will we learn that the 'Elite' are actually a parasite class representing the cream of British society only in as much as they are 'Rich and Thick' to quote Samuel Beckett, I think.
Can't argue with any of that.
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francovendee wrote: 21 Sep 2022, 3:26pm
reohn2 wrote: 21 Sep 2022, 1:28pm
PH wrote: 21 Sep 2022, 11:18am ............ Can anyone imagine the current Labour Party doing that?
No,in a word.
If they were they'd need to be far more radical than they appear to be presently! :?
Agreed but the media would do what they did to Corbyn. if Labour publish a manifesto proposing the changes really needed then the right wing would smear it with the brown stuff and win another term. Truss would have to do really badly to lose to someone like Corbyn.
Sad but it's true it's the swing from the middle that decides elections.
It's money,lot's of it from any source,and and being prepared to tell any amount of lies to to get power,the Brexit campaign and the last two GEs have poved that.
As Stradageek says the UK public needs too learn what's good for it,and that's definitely not the Tory party
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(Treating this as "The Politics Thread" though maybe there should also ab an "NHS Thread")
I see the Gov is now announcing everybody should get a routine GP appointment within 2 weeks and urgent appointment same day. How are primary care going to suddenly going at magic up the additional appointments needed to meet the 2 week target? Same number of GPs, practitioners, nurses yet suddenly thanks to a magic edict from a new appointee to Cabinet all waits for a GP are history.

My own practice (so anechdotal) if you dial at 08:15 on the dot and you'll probably be number 10+ in the queue but you can often get a same day for non-routine issues. But for a routine appointment you'll be told to call again next Tues at 10:00 when appointments for beyond 14 days are scheduled (then next Tues at 10:00 you'll be told to call next Tues at 10:00 ... A friend in the village can hardly walk due to bad knee which needs a replacement but he can't even get a referral because he can't get an appointment with his GP ('cos it's "routine").
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/sep/21/no-one-should-wait-more-than-two-weeks-to-see-gp-coffey-to-say wrote:No patient should have to wait more than two weeks to see a GP, the new health secretary will demand, in a move that has already been criticised by family doctors.
Maybe Gov will regret GPs being independent as Gov. can't force through a 14 day limit to routine appointments without renegotiating the GP contracts.

My impression is that GPs are working fewer and fewer days. In my GP practice most GPs works more outside the practice than in the practice. GP I'm registered with went 4 days/week to 3 days/week and is now down to 2 days/week (as he focuses on his private business, several others run a cosmetic surgery practice (botox, wart removal, etc.)

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Psamathe wrote: 22 Sep 2022, 10:38am ...
My impression is that GPs are working fewer and fewer days. In my GP practice most GPs works more outside the practice than in the practice. GP I'm registered with went 4 days/week to 3 days/week and is now down to 2 days/week (as he focuses on his private business, several others run a cosmetic surgery practice (botox, wart removal, etc.)
"Workload issues affecting GP trainees’ plans for their future careers":
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2022/ ... re-careers

"For the fifth time since 2016, The King’s Fund has surveyed GP trainees on their plans for their own careers and on the future of general practice more generally. Each time we ask questions about trainees’ intended future working patterns, one year, five years and ten years after completing their qualifications. This year’s survey of GP trainees shows excessive workload and intensity is having a significant impact on how trainees plan to work in future."

Guardian coverage of that survey:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... tudy-finds

Jonathan
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Psamathe wrote: 22 Sep 2022, 10:38am ...
I see the Gov is now announcing everybody should get a routine GP appointment within 2 weeks and urgent appointment same day. How are primary care going to suddenly going at magic up the additional appointments needed to meet the 2 week target? Same number of GPs, practitioners, nurses yet suddenly thanks to a magic edict from a new appointee to Cabinet all waits for a GP are history.
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Yes. (But careful with the statistics on numbers in post.)

The professions have been pleading for a workforce strategy for some time.

Jonathan
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