pete75 wrote: ↑4 Oct 2022, 9:29am
mattheus wrote: ↑3 Oct 2022, 4:11pm
pete75 wrote: ↑3 Oct 2022, 12:36pm
Inflicting pain to make someone do what you want them to do is torture. There's a differenec between that and subduing someone.
Dalian Atkinson was not doing anything illegal. His actions and mindset were health problems not ones of criminal intent. As his brother said "“he was unwell and needed kindness and care rather than violence.”
Whatever you may think he didn't deserve to be brutally attacked and killed by police officers and what happened there was wrong. Other than in your own mind you can't justify what happened.
"Mr. Atkinson had taken hold of his father by the throat
and told him that he had killed other members of the family and that he
intended to kill him"
His death was tragic, he didn't "deserve" anything, and it and shouldn't have happened. But it's wrong to say his own actions did not contribute.
And it's mad to say the police were torturing him.
No they just killed him. That's beyond torture.
They didn't 'just kill him'
From my reading last week, in summary.
They attempted to restrain a man who was unstable and threatening.
He was Tasered 3 times, finally incapacitating him on the ground.
So far so good (bad, and sad), reasonable force was used in the circumstances and based on the honest belief of the officers that there was threat.
Whilst incapacitated he was kicked twice in the head with medium force by the officer who was, rightly, convicted of manslaughter. He was also hit with a baton by the other officer, who was subsequently acquitted by a Jury.
It's not clear that the kick caused Mr A's death, as he had other significant health issues and was a very sick man, but because of the assault, a conviction was appropriate in the circumstances.