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And Pop Tarts can be used to create the heat of the sun in your own kitchen
The folks researching energy-from-fusion have been barking up the wrong tree!
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simonineaston wrote: 7 Jun 2023, 8:03am
And Pop Tarts can be used to create the heat of the sun in your own kitchen
The folks researching energy-from-fusion have been barking up the wrong tree!
Didn't Pop Tarts get withdrawn because of a ban on certain E numbers.
Perhaps they had discovered E=MC2
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Two rulings by the Advertising Standards Authority:

Petronas:
https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/petrolia ... erhad.html

Shell:
https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/shell-uk ... k-ltd.html

BBC News coverage of Shell's claims:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65820813

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Jdsk wrote: 7 Jun 2023, 10:01am Two rulings by the Advertising Standards Authority:

Petronas:
https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/petrolia ... erhad.html

Shell:
https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/shell-uk ... k-ltd.html

BBC News coverage of Shell's claims:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65820813
"Soccer's world governing body FIFA made false and misleading statements about the reduced environmental impact of the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, a Swiss regulator said on Wednesday.":
https://www.reuters.com/sports/soccer/f ... 023-06-07/

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Soccer's world governing body FIFA made false and misleading statements about ...

What, again?? Nothing will surprise me, sadly ...
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Latest report from the Climate Change Committee:
https://www.theccc.org.uk/2023/06/28/be ... -delivery/

Another reason for getting rid of this government as soon as possible.

...

I'd be very grateful for some analysis of Labour's energy policy... anyone?

Thanks

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While not yet ready to start building a gigafactory in the UK, Elon Musk plans to launch a virtual electricity supplier - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... er-britain
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"British nuclear revival to move towards energy independence":
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/brit ... dependence

Includes a *competition for small modular reactors.

Jonathan

* But not a VIP lane...
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The way I interpreted that launch is that the Gov dosent want to fund this so is inviting others to do it for them with a tiny fig leaf on offer. I can't see any company falling into that trap. It's all waffle and lacks substance. :(
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Yet another competition … surely there must be something out there now that would work and we should just get on with building it. We have a history of running low powered reactors (Magnox) and simply need to build on it. Less talking and less looking for perfection would be good.

Of course such projects take many years to complete and government can switch between the major parties, surely they need to engage in discussion and agree a none partisan way forward.
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The UK has placed tidal to the sidelines for now, ostensibly because of cost (which was due to the relatively short time period considered) but more likely because of the NIMBY problem and it's clear nuclear will be playing a part in our energy through much of this century, if not all.

We're building wind capacity quickly, with over 30GW expected to be online sometime in the next decade. Clearly its marginal costs fall up to a certain capacity before beginning to rise again when there is so much capacity that excess supply has filled storage and cannot be used any more, and the export prices are very low with excess from other nations' North Sea wind.

I wonder at what point does the cost of marginal cost of additional wind capacity reach the cost of Nuclear energy? Obviously we don't yet know how much storage will exist, how much more solar will be implemented and how the population will grow, but using today's data does anyone have a rough idea where this figure lies?
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Biospace wrote: 19 Jul 2023, 1:42pm The UK has placed tidal to the sidelines for now, ostensibly because of cost (which was due to the relatively short time period considered) but more likely because of the NIMBY problem and it's clear nuclear will be playing a part in our energy through much of this century, if not all.

We're building wind capacity quickly, with over 30GW expected to be online sometime in the next decade. Clearly its marginal costs fall up to a certain capacity before beginning to rise again when there is so much capacity that excess supply has filled storage and cannot be used any more, and the export prices are very low with excess from other nations' North Sea wind.

I wonder at what point does the cost of marginal cost of additional wind capacity reach the cost of Nuclear energy? Obviously we don't yet know how much storage will exist, how much more solar will be implemented and how the population will grow, but using today's data does anyone have a rough idea where this figure lies?
I'm not sure that calculation, it's obviously very hard to quantify.

But future energy scenarios from the national grid for zero carbon:

Full report here https://www.nationalgrideso.com/documen ... 1/download

Summary here https://www.nationalgrideso.com/documen ... 1/download

Lots of gas and CCS in there...
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Those Future Energy Scenarios are the best starting point that I know.

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CoTide, new tidal energy collaboration:
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2023-06-26-ox ... and-energy
https://cotide.ac.uk

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Jdsk wrote: 19 Jul 2023, 5:17pm CoTide, new tidal energy collaboration:
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2023-06-26-ox ... and-energy
https://cotide.ac.uk

Jonathan
Still a drop in the ocean, but it's good to see interest. The UK appears to be taking the easiest and what it perceives as the cheapest (short term) possible routes to tapping this vast source of energy. Edinburgh and Strathclyde have a wealth of knowledge in this field.

I see Coire Glas pumped storage looks to be going ahead, it's set to double the UK's storage. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... s-65015217
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