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Jdsk
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Re: Britannia Un-Trussed - The Sunak Sojourn

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Jdsk wrote: 1 Nov 2022, 12:12am
Jdsk wrote: 31 Oct 2022, 3:25pm
Jdsk wrote: 31 Oct 2022, 12:40pm An important turn in the management of immigration.

The relevant inspector has described the conditions at the detention centre as inhumane:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... ossings-vn

And the local MP has blamed the Home Office:
https://news.sky.com/story/conservative ... s-12734816
...
"Suella Braverman failed to sign off on measures which could have eased pressure at a migrant processing centre, sources have told the BBC.
"The home secretary was warned by officials the government was acting outside the law by failing to provide alternative accommodation."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63458493
Report on Manston by HM Inspectorate of Prisons:
https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk ... all-boats/

“Inspectors recognised the work done in setting up the facility at Manston and improvements to Western Jet Foil, but also noted a number of risks. When I visited Manston in September, some of these risks had begun to materialise and I met detainees who had been held for more than four days in a facility that was not designed for overnight stays and in which there was no access to the open air. I was also concerned that there were still no mobile phones available, which meant that many detainees, including some who were very young, had been unable to contact their families.
“Recent intelligence from a number of credible sources, including the Independent Chief Inspector of Borders and Immigration, the Independent Monitoring Boards and staff associations, suggest that the current situation at Manston has significantly deteriorated since our July inspection. We are hearing that detainees are now being held in greater numbers and for much longer periods of time in cramped and uncomfortable conditions, often supervised by staff who have not been suitably trained.
“As a result of these concerns, the Inspectorate is planning a swift return to Manston and will expect to see substantial improvements. In the meantime, the Home Office and its contractors need to get a grip and urgently act on the findings of this report to make sure all detainees are held in safe, decent and humane conditions."
The local MP has just doubled down.
"I share Mrs Braverman’s desire to see this ended. It is criminal. It is trading in human misery and it’s quite wrong.
"When you’ve seen, as I have, two, three-year-old toddlers at Manston in the processing centre, kids slightly younger, actually, than my own grandchildren, who crossed the channel and open boats, you realise just how pernicious and how dangerous this is, and it has to be brought to a halt, that I agree with entirely.
"Where I think we as a party have gone wrong, and indeed the Labour party hasn’t offered any solutions either so let’s not be holier than thou about this, is that we’ve taken the wrong approach.
"Instead of trying to work with the French authorities and the European authorities to reach a pan European solution to what is a pan European problem, we’ve chosen to play to the gallery.
"Are we going to get to grips with this? Well, I hope that the prime minister’s approach to President Macron will yield results. If it does, that’s a very good thing. That is the right approach and the right direction of travel. The home secretary’s approach is the wrong direction of travel, I believe."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... -live-news

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Re: Britannia Un-Trussed - The Sunak Sojourn

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Jdsk wrote: 1 Nov 2022, 10:34am
Jdsk wrote: 1 Nov 2022, 12:12am
Jdsk wrote: 31 Oct 2022, 3:25pm
"Suella Braverman failed to sign off on measures which could have eased pressure at a migrant processing centre, sources have told the BBC.
"The home secretary was warned by officials the government was acting outside the law by failing to provide alternative accommodation."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63458493
Report on Manston by HM Inspectorate of Prisons:
https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk ... all-boats/

“Inspectors recognised the work done in setting up the facility at Manston and improvements to Western Jet Foil, but also noted a number of risks. When I visited Manston in September, some of these risks had begun to materialise and I met detainees who had been held for more than four days in a facility that was not designed for overnight stays and in which there was no access to the open air. I was also concerned that there were still no mobile phones available, which meant that many detainees, including some who were very young, had been unable to contact their families.
“Recent intelligence from a number of credible sources, including the Independent Chief Inspector of Borders and Immigration, the Independent Monitoring Boards and staff associations, suggest that the current situation at Manston has significantly deteriorated since our July inspection. We are hearing that detainees are now being held in greater numbers and for much longer periods of time in cramped and uncomfortable conditions, often supervised by staff who have not been suitably trained.
“As a result of these concerns, the Inspectorate is planning a swift return to Manston and will expect to see substantial improvements. In the meantime, the Home Office and its contractors need to get a grip and urgently act on the findings of this report to make sure all detainees are held in safe, decent and humane conditions."
The local MP has just doubled down.
"I share Mrs Braverman’s desire to see this ended. It is criminal. It is trading in human misery and it’s quite wrong.
"When you’ve seen, as I have, two, three-year-old toddlers at Manston in the processing centre, kids slightly younger, actually, than my own grandchildren, who crossed the channel and open boats, you realise just how pernicious and how dangerous this is, and it has to be brought to a halt, that I agree with entirely.
"Where I think we as a party have gone wrong, and indeed the Labour party hasn’t offered any solutions either so let’s not be holier than thou about this, is that we’ve taken the wrong approach.
"Instead of trying to work with the French authorities and the European authorities to reach a pan European solution to what is a pan European problem, we’ve chosen to play to the gallery.
"Are we going to get to grips with this? Well, I hope that the prime minister’s approach to President Macron will yield results. If it does, that’s a very good thing. That is the right approach and the right direction of travel. The home secretary’s approach is the wrong direction of travel, I believe."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... -live-news

Jonathan
Yet again it seems it's a self inflicted problem created by our inadequate politicians
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/nov/01/suella-braverman-rishi-sunak-tories-manston-migrant-centre-uk-politics-live-news wrote:Madeleine Sumption, director of the Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford, said she imagines policymakers in France and Germany would look at the UK immigration numbers and “wondering what the fuss is about”.

She said the backlog had increased because, as numbers have risen, capacity for decision-making not increased and there are fewer asylum claim decisions being made over the last year or so than before the pandemic.
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Re: Britannia Un-Trussed - The Sunak Sojourn

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Psamathe wrote: 1 Nov 2022, 10:50amYet again it seems it's a self inflicted problem created by our inadequate politicians
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/nov/01/suella-braverman-rishi-sunak-tories-manston-migrant-centre-uk-politics-live-news wrote:Madeleine Sumption, director of the Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford, said she imagines policymakers in France and Germany would look at the UK immigration numbers and “wondering what the fuss is about”.

She said the backlog had increased because, as numbers have risen, capacity for decision-making not increased and there are fewer asylum claim decisions being made over the last year or so than before the pandemic.
"Senior Home Office source tells me Home Sec refused to sign off on hotel bookings for migrants at Manston last week “because they were in Tory areas”."
https://twitter.com/charlotterlynch/sta ... 5107322882

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Re: Britannia Un-Trussed - The Sunak Sojourn

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I suspect she's toast. We are just going through the clinging-on phase where she loses the last remnants of respect and her core extreme supporters dig-in and harden their resolve to save their best prospect for patronage and having their ideology happen.

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Re: Britannia Un-Trussed - The Sunak Sojourn

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Interesting outcry about Matt Hancock and "I'm A Celebrity"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/01/matt-hancock-loses-tory-whip-after-agreeing-to-appear-on-im-a-celebrity wrote:But the former health secretary faced a backlash from Tory whips and his constituency party over his decision to take part and will now sit as an independent MP. The show overlaps with time when the Commons is sitting.
Much of the outcry seems about him being away whilst Parliament is sitting. But I don't remember Johnson having the whip withdrawn when he was on holiday in the Caribbean whilst Parliament was sitting (when he had to return early not to join the leadership non-election). Why the upset over Hancock not being there for his constituents when Johnson does the same without repercussions?

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Re: Britannia Un-Trussed - The Sunak Sojourn

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Psamathe wrote: 1 Nov 2022, 12:28pm Interesting outcry about Matt Hancock and "I'm A Celebrity"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/01/matt-hancock-loses-tory-whip-after-agreeing-to-appear-on-im-a-celebrity wrote:But the former health secretary faced a backlash from Tory whips and his constituency party over his decision to take part and will now sit as an independent MP. The show overlaps with time when the Commons is sitting.
Much of the outcry seems about him being away whilst Parliament is sitting. But I don't remember Johnson having the whip withdrawn when he was on holiday in the Caribbean whilst Parliament was sitting (when he had to return early not to join the leadership non-election). Why the upset over Hancock not being there for his constituents when Johnson does the same without repercussions?
"Optics, dear boy, optics". As Macmillan didn't say.

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Re: Brittania Un-Trussed - The Rishi Regime

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Jdsk wrote: 31 Oct 2022, 12:46pm
Jdsk wrote: 27 Oct 2022, 5:00pm
Jdsk wrote: 27 Oct 2022, 1:34pm
It now seems that someone is telling some other people that MI5 don't trust her.

She didn't turn up to answer an Urgent Question today.]
"I'm told cabinet secretary Simon Case is NOT launching an investigation into Suella Braverman's re-appointment and the circumstances around her original departure as home secretary."
https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/stat ... -live-news

We'll see.
Long letter from Braverman to the Chair of the Home Affairs Select Committee:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... letter.pdf

"35.The review of my use of Government and personal IT has now concluded and that matter is now closed."

We'll see.
"A close reading of Suella Braverman’s account of her unauthorised email":
https://davidallengreen.com/2022/11/a-c ... sed-email/

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Re: Britannia Un-Trussed - The Sunak Sojourn

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Earlier today commentators had counted 3 U-Turns in just the 8 days.

Now people can't really count as all pledges ditched!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/nov/02/matt-hancock-im-a-celeb-rishi-sunak-keir-starmer-pmqs-conservatives-uk-politics-live?filterKeyEvents=false#maincontent wrote:At the post-PMQs briefing, the PM’s press secretary said all the summer campaign pledges from Sunak have now been shelved.
Wonder what credibility his next election manifesto will deserve (if we don't get yet another PM in the meantime).

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Re: Britannia Un-Trussed - The Sunak Sojourn

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Psamathe wrote: 1 Nov 2022, 12:28pm Interesting outcry about Matt Hancock and "I'm A Celebrity"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/01/matt-hancock-loses-tory-whip-after-agreeing-to-appear-on-im-a-celebrity wrote:But the former health secretary faced a backlash from Tory whips and his constituency party over his decision to take part and will now sit as an independent MP. The show overlaps with time when the Commons is sitting.
Much of the outcry seems about him being away whilst Parliament is sitting. But I don't remember Johnson having the whip withdrawn when he was on holiday in the Caribbean whilst Parliament was sitting (when he had to return early not to join the leadership non-election). Why the upset over Hancock not being there for his constituents when Johnson does the same without repercussions?

Ian
Appearing on that show and failing to declare the fee, didn't stop Nadine Dorries from becoming Culture Secretary ten years later.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ty-apology
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Re: Brittania Un-Trussed - The Rishi Regime

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Jdsk wrote: 31 Oct 2022, 12:46pm
Jdsk wrote: 27 Oct 2022, 5:00pm
Jdsk wrote: 27 Oct 2022, 1:34pm
It now seems that someone is telling some other people that MI5 don't trust her.

She didn't turn up to answer an Urgent Question today.]
"I'm told cabinet secretary Simon Case is NOT launching an investigation into Suella Braverman's re-appointment and the circumstances around her original departure as home secretary."
https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/stat ... -live-news

We'll see.
Long letter from Braverman to the Chair of the Home Affairs Select Committee:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... letter.pdf

"35.The review of my use of Government and personal IT has now concluded and that matter is now closed."
We'll see.
This weeks' Private Eye (No 1585, p14) reports that she has been reported to the Bar Standards Board about a "dishonest statement out of self-interest to promote her career".

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Re: Britannia Un-Trussed - The Sunak Sojourn

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Jdsk wrote: 1 Nov 2022, 11:05am
Psamathe wrote: 1 Nov 2022, 10:50amYet again it seems it's a self inflicted problem created by our inadequate politicians
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/nov/01/suella-braverman-rishi-sunak-tories-manston-migrant-centre-uk-politics-live-news wrote:Madeleine Sumption, director of the Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford, said she imagines policymakers in France and Germany would look at the UK immigration numbers and “wondering what the fuss is about”.

She said the backlog had increased because, as numbers have risen, capacity for decision-making not increased and there are fewer asylum claim decisions being made over the last year or so than before the pandemic.
"Senior Home Office source tells me Home Sec refused to sign off on hotel bookings for migrants at Manston last week “because they were in Tory areas”."
https://twitter.com/charlotterlynch/sta ... 5107322882
"A minister has admitted that the Manston asylum processing centre is not operating legally... "
https://news.sky.com/story/we-want-to-g ... e-12737015

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Re: Britannia Un-Trussed - The Sunak Sojourn

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Read this article, revealing the toxic "philosphy" driving the likes of Sunak and other "sovereign individuals" (those so rich they need have no loyalty to, or care for, a nation or the "second raters" populating it). Read it and weep!

https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2022 ... ishi-sunak

You can read it (and two more articles monthly) for free if you register.

Some illustrative extracts:

"It was in 1997 that James Dale Davidson, an American venture capitalist, and William Rees-Mogg, a businessman and former editor of the Times, published The Sovereign Individual, a book that has had a long afterlife. It had a mercenary subtitle: How to Survive and Thrive During the Collapse of the Welfare State.

The Sovereign Individual was an early example of business book radicalism, merging apocalypticism with appeals to investor savvy in a way now familiar in the era of neoliberal populist politics. It pioneered an early appeal to scientific difference that anticipated the fusion of libertarianism and racism that would come to be called the alt-right. It also foresaw the rise of super-rich couples such as Sunak and Murty, who are able to live beyond the constraint of individual nation states and can pick and choose laws based on preference and the bottom line.

In The Sovereign Individual, Davidson and Rees-Mogg were frank that the rewards of the new paradigm would be distributed unevenly. The internet would not realise the egalitarian dream of the 1960s counter- cultural generation but harden into a new hierarchy based on merit.

The book professed no faith that the internet would make life better for all or even for most people. On the contrary, the digital possibilities of escape for the wealthy and the talented into cyberspace would undercut t
he very conditions of the welfare state. “You can’t tax those you can’t catch,” as Rees-Mogg argued in a Times column of 1995".

Cugel
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Re: Britannia Un-Trussed - The Sunak Sojourn

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"Concerns have been raised over Rishi Sunak’s decision to appoint Gavin Williamson back into the cabinet after the former chief whip Wendy Morton accused him of sending “vile and threatening messages” to her.":
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ndy-morton

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Re: Britannia Un-Trussed - The Sunak Sojourn

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Jdsk wrote: 4 Nov 2022, 5:31pm "Concerns have been raised over Rishi Sunak’s decision to appoint Gavin Williamson back into the cabinet after the former chief whip Wendy Morton accused him of sending “vile and threatening messages” to her.":
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ndy-morton
The messages:
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/sta ... 6122009600

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Re: Britannia Un-Trussed - The Sunak Sojourn

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Big call for Sunak: does he stop or "review" the The Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill?

A surprising intervention today:
"Rees-Mogg’s plans to axe all EU laws will cripple Whitehall, says leading Brexiter":
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/no ... g-brexiter

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