This is lovely, thanks a lot.nirakaro wrote: ↑10 Oct 2022, 8:06am It's a few years back, and I don't have it written down, but, from memory:
Day 1 - ride Canosa di Puglia – Foggia
Day 2 - train Foggia-Potenza-Naples
short ride Naples-Varcaturo
Day 3 - ride Varcaturo-Minturno
Day 4 - train Minturno-Rome-Livorno
short ride Livorno-Pisa
Day 5 - train Pisa-Berceto
short ride Berceto-Fiorenzuola
Day 6 - train Fiorenzuola-Piacenza-Torino-Bardonecchia
ride over col de l'Echelle* to near Briancon
Day 7 - ride over col du Lautaret to le Bourg d'Oisans
Day 8 - ride to Grenoble
train Grenoble-Lyon-Migennes
Day 9 - train Migennes-Paris
ride across Paris. Brief pause to admire impressive tower.
train Paris-Rouen
ride Rouen-Dieppe
OK, nine days not eight, but hey, poetic licence.
* The col de l'Echelle is a lovely almost-traffic-free ride, and the easiest way across the Alps from France to Italy – you can 'cheat' by getting a train up to about 1300m on both sides. I've ridden it several times, and each time I've admired the pretty wooded glade at the top, and thought, what a lovely spot for wild camping. I finally managed that last Wednesday, started the climb late afternoon, with just time to get my tent up before sunset. Utterly silent, scent of pine trees, last of the risotto and last of the Chianti for supper, not a soul within miles, one of those super-clear nights when the whole sky is softly glowing with stars … that's a night that stays with you. Chilly though!
Travelling to southern Europe without flying
Re: Travelling to southern Europe without flying
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Thank you I think I have worked the thing out now. What I would have needed was a duplicate list. In an idle moment may phone the HMRC helpline and see if I can get more data.st599_uk wrote: ↑10 Oct 2022, 10:35amThe duplicate list or ATA Carnet is the proof that import duty is not required.
You get them stamped to prove the exported goods were re-imported. With a carnet, no stamp and you can lose the bond paid (which for the EU is 40% of the value of the goods)
UK -Spain Ferry
Unfortunately, It is the Policy of Brittany Ferries NOT to take Bicycles on the Portsmouth to Santander route, this winter season. (November 2022 to March 2023)
Quote from Brittany Ferries.
Quote from Brittany Ferries.
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Is there any requirement for them to carry bikes? Thinking EU law, not our wishy washy ones.
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That’s a pain. The Plymouth sailing does take bikes but doesn’t restart until late March which I presume is too late. Foot passenger and sizeable box/bag?
I might also try shaming them a bit on green travel credentials- that seems to be a big thing in France at the moment (good) which is where they are based. There’s no problem I can think of in either Portsouth or Santander which are both set up for bikes at the ports so it’s an onboard thing.
I might also try shaming them a bit on green travel credentials- that seems to be a big thing in France at the moment (good) which is where they are based. There’s no problem I can think of in either Portsouth or Santander which are both set up for bikes at the ports so it’s an onboard thing.
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I wonder why?
I do not do Twitter, but that seems a good way of communicating with companies like this to ask them.
Re: Travelling to southern Europe without flying
Thanks.
I've told Cycling UK so that they can update their ferries page:
https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/guide ... bike-ferry
Jonathan
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They'll update the page.Jdsk wrote: ↑3 Nov 2022, 8:43amThanks.
I've told Cycling UK so that they can update their ferries page:
https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/guide ... bike-ferry
Any other updates needed?
Jonathan
PS: They're contacting our opposite numbers in Spain with the intention of talking to the company abut the policy and about prices.
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People were unpacking their bikes from a duvet cover when I got on the boat at Santander in the Spring. That was to avoid the £75 fare, but I guess it would count if bikes were banned. It does seem lunatic. Is it that we could take up beds which could be sold to real passengers in cars?
Re: Travelling to southern Europe without flying
I priced up flying Liverpool to Porto including boxed bike, 25kgs cargo and two cabin bags. One way circa £150. Doesn't do much for my eco footprint but with the ferry and train options being a PITA it appears quite attractive to me.
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Update: A trial booking Portsmouth-Santander inc bicycle appears to work now. I got through to the payment page with cycle option selected. Perhaps they’ve changed their policy back to include cycle passengers now. Good news, I hope.
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Re: Travelling to southern Europe without flying
good news for those of us in Ireland looking for a direct ferry to Spain:
"New ‘cruise-ferry' will sail directly from Ireland to Spain twice a week – bikes, foot passengers and dogs welcome"
https://m.independent.ie/life/travel/tr ... 49640.html
"New ‘cruise-ferry' will sail directly from Ireland to Spain twice a week – bikes, foot passengers and dogs welcome"
https://m.independent.ie/life/travel/tr ... 49640.html
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Man in Seat 61 reporting that Peninsular and Oriental will stop taking foot passengers and cyclists on Cross Channel routes as of January.
A novice learning...
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“the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible.”
Re: Travelling to southern Europe without flying
Thanks for the info. Green travel options going down again. Surely this should be mandated as part of the “service” if they’re allowed to operate the route. Not that they should be anyway due to their staff practices.
https://twitter.com/seatsixtyone/status ... jEcsHxi1lA
https://twitter.com/seatsixtyone/status ... jEcsHxi1lA
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That link doesn't say no cyclists only no foot passengers.
The Dunkirk route has been no foot, but allows bikes for a long time.
As bike roll on with cars into the ship they are different from foot who need a separate access route.
This needs confirmation.
The Dunkirk route has been no foot, but allows bikes for a long time.
As bike roll on with cars into the ship they are different from foot who need a separate access route.
This needs confirmation.