Braverman: Rise of the Fascists
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Re: Braverman: Rise of the Fascists
From Tory haters' perspective, the longer the current hs stays in post, the better... it's hard to imagine an incumbent who would be easier to dislike! Who'd of thought we'd get an hs who makes her predecessor-under-Johnson look reasonable?!
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Re: Braverman: Rise of the Fascists
It's not known by me.pete75 wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 11:13amIt's well known and well publicised. Guardian, Mail, Mirror etc all reported on it.
So I googled it.
The report isn't that she enquired about claiming this fine on expenses, but that on her first day as an MP she asked the question if speeding fines could be claimed as part of a briefing for MPs on how the system works.
The claim was by another Tory MP who obviously loathes her.
https://twitter.com/William_Wragg/statu ... yGveQtAAAA
If true that's obviously idiotic, but quite different to what you've written.
Re: Braverman: Rise of the Fascists
TTBOMK I haven't seen another source.roubaixtuesday wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 11:34am ...
The report isn't that she enquired about claiming this fine on expenses, but that on her first day as an MP she asked the question if speeding fines could be claimed as part of a briefing for MPs on how the system works.
The claim was by another Tory MP who obviously loathes her.
https://twitter.com/William_Wragg/statu ... yGveQtAAAA
If true that's obviously idiotic, but quite different to what you've written.
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TTBOMK?? Sounds like an energy gel brand!Jdsk wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 11:39amTTBOMK I haven't seen another source.roubaixtuesday wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 11:34am ...
The report isn't that she enquired about claiming this fine on expenses, but that on her first day as an MP she asked the question if speeding fines could be claimed as part of a briefing for MPs on how the system works.
The claim was by another Tory MP who obviously loathes her.
https://twitter.com/William_Wragg/statu ... yGveQtAAAA
If true that's obviously idiotic, but quite different to what you've written.
Jonathan
Re: Braverman: Rise of the Fascists
roubaixtuesday wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 11:42amTTBOMK?? Sounds like an energy gel brand!Jdsk wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 11:39amTTBOMK I haven't seen another source.roubaixtuesday wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 11:34am ...
The report isn't that she enquired about claiming this fine on expenses, but that on her first day as an MP she asked the question if speeding fines could be claimed as part of a briefing for MPs on how the system works.
The claim was by another Tory MP who obviously loathes her.
https://twitter.com/William_Wragg/statu ... yGveQtAAAA
If true that's obviously idiotic, but quite different to what you've written.
Jonathan
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Re: Braverman: Rise of the Fascists
TBF Braverman has spent her career debasing politics. A truly shameful track record.mattheus wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 11:48am
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Re: Braverman: Rise of the Fascists
Oh for sure. But that doesn't justifies lies about her (IMO, anyway ... ) In fact it undermines arguments against her.roubaixtuesday wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 12:02pmTBF Braverman has spent her career debasing politics. A truly shameful track record.
Re: Braverman: Rise of the Fascists
So was "this fine" not a "speeding fine"?roubaixtuesday wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 11:34am The report isn't that she enquired about claiming this fine on expenses, but that on her first day as an MP she asked the question if speeding fines could be claimed as part of a briefing for MPs on how the system works.
If anything, enquiring in advance about claiming fines as expenses shows intent to break the law and, thereby, unsuitability for her current job, as both HS and MP.
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Re: Braverman: Rise of the Fascists
mjr wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 1:22pmSo was "this fine" not a "speeding fine"?roubaixtuesday wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 11:34am The report isn't that she enquired about claiming this fine on expenses, but that on her first day as an MP she asked the question if speeding fines could be claimed as part of a briefing for MPs on how the system works.
If anything, enquiring in advance about claiming fines as expenses shows intent to break the law and, thereby, unsuitability for her current job, as both HS and MP.
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Re: Braverman: Rise of the Fascists
What was written about her wasn't true. She did not enquire if this fine could be set off against expenses.mjr wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 1:22pmSo was "this fine" not a "speeding fine"?roubaixtuesday wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 11:34am The report isn't that she enquired about claiming this fine on expenses, but that on her first day as an MP she asked the question if speeding fines could be claimed as part of a briefing for MPs on how the system works.
If anything, enquiring in advance about claiming fines as expenses shows intent to break the law and, thereby, unsuitability for her current job, as both HS and MP.
What she did allegedly say on her first day as an MP does not show any "intent to break the law", though I agree if it's as reported, it was wrong of her to do what she did. Perhaps it was a limp joke, who knows.
She is transparently unsuited to her role for many obvious reasons, hence as @matteus rightly says, there's no need to make up, or distort what she has done - it only undermines the case against her.
I'm not defending Braverman (what a task that would be!) only asking that allegations against her are well founded.
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If the report of her question in the new MP briefing is correct, she did ask if this fine could be claimed as expenses, but long before she was fined. So the allegation is indeed accurate.roubaixtuesday wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 3:25pmWhat was written about her wasn't true. She did not enquire if this fine could be set off against expenses.mjr wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 1:22pmSo was "this fine" not a "speeding fine"?roubaixtuesday wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 11:34am The report isn't that she enquired about claiming this fine on expenses, but that on her first day as an MP she asked the question if speeding fines could be claimed as part of a briefing for MPs on how the system works.
If anything, enquiring in advance about claiming fines as expenses shows intent to break the law and, thereby, unsuitability for her current job, as both HS and MP.
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Re: Braverman: Rise of the Fascists
She enquired about claiming any speeding fines on expenses. This was a speeding fine. Work it out.roubaixtuesday wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 11:34amIt's not known by me.
So I googled it.
The report isn't that she enquired about claiming this fine on expenses, but that on her first day as an MP she asked the question if speeding fines could be claimed as part of a briefing for MPs on how the system works.
The claim was by another Tory MP who obviously loathes her.
https://twitter.com/William_Wragg/statu ... yGveQtAAAA
If true that's obviously idiotic, but quite different to what you've written.
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Re: Braverman: Rise of the Fascists
Nonsense. The original claim was "She did enquire about claiming the fine on her parliamentary expenses..."pete75 wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 3:31pmShe enquired about claiming speeding fines on expenses. This was a speeding fine. Work it out.roubaixtuesday wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 11:34amIt's not known by me.
So I googled it.
The report isn't that she enquired about claiming this fine on expenses, but that on her first day as an MP she asked the question if speeding fines could be claimed as part of a briefing for MPs on how the system works.
The claim was by another Tory MP who obviously loathes her.
https://twitter.com/William_Wragg/statu ... yGveQtAAAA
If true that's obviously idiotic, but quite different to what you've written.
It clearly relates to the current offence and is not true. Note the definite article.
Work it out.
Re: Braverman: Rise of the Fascists
She enquired about claiming speeding fines on expenses. This was a speeding fine. Therefore it was an enquiry about claiming this and any other speeding offences.roubaixtuesday wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 3:35pmNonsense. The original claim was "She did enquire about claiming the fine on her parliamentary expenses..."pete75 wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 3:31pmShe enquired about claiming speeding fines on expenses. This was a speeding fine. Work it out.roubaixtuesday wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 11:34am
It's not known by me.
So I googled it.
The report isn't that she enquired about claiming this fine on expenses, but that on her first day as an MP she asked the question if speeding fines could be claimed as part of a briefing for MPs on how the system works.
The claim was by another Tory MP who obviously loathes her.
https://twitter.com/William_Wragg/statu ... yGveQtAAAA
If true that's obviously idiotic, but quite different to what you've written.
It clearly relates to the current offence and is not true. Note the definite article.
Work it out.
You're clutching at straws in trying to defend the woman. (deleted by moderator)
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Re: Braverman: Rise of the Fascists
Jeez. You don't really care how well your attacks on her are presented, are you??
It's funny how sometimes, rabid internet lefties actually push me into defending tories ... It's a funny old world!