We must stop these pesky foreign parliaments interfering in our Parliament's sovereignity!
Well, if Sunak can repeatedly imply that the UK supreme court is foreign when ruling his bat <i>[inappropriate word removed]</i> laws to be unlawful, how is the UK Parliament any more British?
And still, he's willing to lose power manufacturing a crisis over a few hundred refugees when there's a backlog of a thousand times that waiting for decisions because of his penny pinching cuts to border services.
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We must stop these pesky foreign parliaments interfering in our Parliament's sovereignity!
Well, if Sunak can repeatedly imply that the UK supreme court is foreign when ruling his bat <i>[inappropriate word removed]</i> laws to be unlawful, how is the UK Parliament any more British?
And still, he's willing to lose power manufacturing a crisis over a few hundred refugees when there's a backlog of a thousand times that waiting for decisions because of his penny pinching cuts to border services.
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Plus many thousands more suffering in poverty, plus ever increasingly vast numbers suffering whilst waiting for NHS treatment ... Meanwhile our Government spends its time focussing on issues that really don't affect the majority of the population.
Psamathe wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023, 12:08pm
Plus many thousands more suffering in poverty, plus ever increasingly vast numbers suffering whilst waiting for NHS treatment ... Meanwhile our Government spends its time focussing on issues that really don't affect the majority of the population.
Ah but the majority thinks immigration affects them badly, as they don't realise who of their well spoken white Caucasian neighbours is a migrant unless they overhear them greet their friend in Lithuanian or see a surname with too many vowels or an extra z. And even on here, we've some people who have been fooled by the "migrant workers come over here and depress the wages" populist demonising, which is also necessary for the aristos and wannabes to divide and conquer the masses.
Attacking the tiny minority of small boat arrivals is far easier than presenting credible plans to improve the NHS or lift people out of poverty. But apparently even easy targets are too hard for Sunak.
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al_yrpal wrote: ↑30 Jun 2023, 12:48pm
Whilst we are veering left, they are all veering right. Who are really the fascists and do we want to be in a political union with them?
TheTories are rather silly in adopting policies aimed at potential Reform party voters and which may drive away their more centrist voters. If a former Tory voter votes Reform they've lost one vote. If a former Tory voter votes Labour then, in most constituencies, they've effectively lost two votes.
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Pebble wrote: ↑9 Apr 2023, 10:48am
so what are the migrant enthusiasts arguing for then ?
they don't seem to like the idea of the risky small boat crossings over the channel and they don't like the drawn out process of being accepted into UK citizenship when they arrive!
So what do you want, and if anyone arrives, who even you don't think should be here, how would you propose moving them on?
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A few of the things that I want:
1 That we should abide by our international commitment to protect refugees.
2 That refugees should be supported much closer to their place of origin, including support for legal routes of migration and settlement. (That's going to require international collaboration.)
3 That we should process all applications quickly and fairly.
4 That we should prosecute people who traffic other people. (That's going to require international collaboration.)
5 That all debate about migration should be based on things that are true rather than things that aren't.
6 That politicians should stop using disgusting language about migrants.
Other wishes are available.
And the importance of international collaboration has come up time and time again whenever people have suggested practical measures.
There's a new French report which includes the problems with that collaboration:
Psamathe wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023, 11:52am
Personal Opinion (no facts involved):
I suspect the "problems" getting the bill passed will come in the later stages as it passes through the Lords, Committee stages and 3rd reading. 2nd reading is not likely to cause issues. Noises from right of party at the moment are just political manoeuvring.
Plus, vote it down at the 2nd reading and Sunak is toast (in the next few months) and who in the Conservatives would want to become leader now. Any Conservative MP with half a brain will realise that whatever happens, however good they are the Party has lost the next General Election (Rwanda is never going to rescue them from their failings over thew economy, NHS, etc.). So become leader now and they will be stepping down having failed in less than 12 months. They'll all appreciate that it's better to wait, spending time between now and next General Election sniping at Sunak's failing, saying how they'd do better, manoeuvring for their leadership bid, etc. Then when Sunak loses the next GE big time they can step in with a full 5 years starting from a low where "the only way is up".
Explanation of the relationship between amendments to the BIll, party factions, and the next leadership contest:
Psamathe wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023, 11:52am
Personal Opinion (no facts involved):
I suspect the "problems" getting the bill passed will come in the later stages as it passes through the Lords, Committee stages and 3rd reading. 2nd reading is not likely to cause issues. Noises from right of party at the moment are just political manoeuvring.
Plus, vote it down at the 2nd reading and Sunak is toast (in the next few months) and who in the Conservatives would want to become leader now. Any Conservative MP with half a brain will realise that whatever happens, however good they are the Party has lost the next General Election (Rwanda is never going to rescue them from their failings over thew economy, NHS, etc.). So become leader now and they will be stepping down having failed in less than 12 months. They'll all appreciate that it's better to wait, spending time between now and next General Election sniping at Sunak's failing, saying how they'd do better, manoeuvring for their leadership bid, etc. Then when Sunak loses the next GE big time they can step in with a full 5 years starting from a low where "the only way is up".
Explanation of the relationship between amendments to the BIll, party factions, and the next leadership contest:
Psamathe wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023, 11:52am
Personal Opinion (no facts involved):
I suspect the "problems" getting the bill passed will come in the later stages as it passes through the Lords, Committee stages and 3rd reading. 2nd reading is not likely to cause issues. Noises from right of party at the moment are just political manoeuvring.
Plus, vote it down at the 2nd reading and Sunak is toast (in the next few months) and who in the Conservatives would want to become leader now. Any Conservative MP with half a brain will realise that whatever happens, however good they are the Party has lost the next General Election (Rwanda is never going to rescue them from their failings over thew economy, NHS, etc.). So become leader now and they will be stepping down having failed in less than 12 months. They'll all appreciate that it's better to wait, spending time between now and next General Election sniping at Sunak's failing, saying how they'd do better, manoeuvring for their leadership bid, etc. Then when Sunak loses the next GE big time they can step in with a full 5 years starting from a low where "the only way is up".
Explanation of the relationship between amendments to the BIll, party factions, and the next leadership contest:
The arrogance of these people who've unleashed a decade of chaos and *still* want yet another arbitrary change of leadership decided by them, not us.
The mentality is mind-boggling.
It's the aristocratic mentality, which in Blighty has always been with us despite all the guff about "democracy".
“Practical men who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence are usually the slaves of some defunct economist”.
John Maynard Keynes
Psamathe wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023, 11:52am
Personal Opinion (no facts involved):
I suspect the "problems" getting the bill passed will come in the later stages as it passes through the Lords, Committee stages and 3rd reading. 2nd reading is not likely to cause issues. Noises from right of party at the moment are just political manoeuvring.
Plus, vote it down at the 2nd reading and Sunak is toast (in the next few months) and who in the Conservatives would want to become leader now. Any Conservative MP with half a brain will realise that whatever happens, however good they are the Party has lost the next General Election (Rwanda is never going to rescue them from their failings over thew economy, NHS, etc.). So become leader now and they will be stepping down having failed in less than 12 months. They'll all appreciate that it's better to wait, spending time between now and next General Election sniping at Sunak's failing, saying how they'd do better, manoeuvring for their leadership bid, etc. Then when Sunak loses the next GE big time they can step in with a full 5 years starting from a low where "the only way is up".
Explanation of the relationship between amendments to the BIll, party factions, and the next leadership contest:
