English beers and brexit

[cc1085]

Hi All
Here in the Republic of Ireland we could get some good ales and beers from UK such as Newcastle Brown,Old Speckled Hen, Doom Bar, Proper Job and the rest, but are not available anymore because of Brexit as apparently it's too much paperwork and cost to import them so all have been replaced with German Dutch Spanish etc. Luckily we still have our own great native stouts and ales and the microbreweries are thriving but it's a bit sad to see them all go.

[jb]

Just another casualty of Brexit. I'm waiting with baited breath for the big advantatious

[MarcusT]

Seems odd. Some of those brands are shipped all over the world, with I'm sure the same amount of paperwork.
Perhaps, it's more political

[rogerzilla]

Is there a better board for this? (I'm not a supporter of brexit, before you ask - I think it was the most moronic thing the UK has ever done).

[francovendee]

No supporter of Brexit but every three months or so our local Lidl sells cases (12) of English ales.
They have one thing in common, they're all brands under Marsden ownership.
I guess it's only big companies that would bother with the red tape.

[geomannie]

Hi All
Here in Ireland we could get some good ales and beers from UK such as Newcastle Brown,Old Speckled Hen, Doom Bar, Proper Job and the rest, but are not available anymore because of Brexit as apparently it's too much paperwork and cost to import them so all have been replaced with German Dutch Spanish etc. Luckily we still have our own great native stouts and ales and the microbreweries are thriving but it's a bit sad to see them all go.

This article gives details on the issues UK breweries are having exporting to the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... tomer-left

[Jdsk]

Hi All
Here in Ireland we could get some good ales and beers from UK such as Newcastle Brown,Old Speckled Hen, Doom Bar, Proper Job and the rest, but are not available anymore because of Brexit as apparently it's too much paperwork and cost to import them so all have been replaced with German Dutch Spanish etc. Luckily we still have our own great native stouts and ales and the microbreweries are thriving but it's a bit sad to see them all go.

This article gives details on the issues UK breweries are having exporting to the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... tomer-left

Thankyou

Jonathan

[Jdsk]

Seems odd. Some of those brands are shipped all over the world, with I'm sure the same amount of paperwork.
Perhaps, it's more political

If we put up the barriers to trade between the UK and Ireland to the same level as between the UK and Ruritania it doesn't follow that the volume from the UK to Ireland will stay the same as it was before we put up the barriers. Those higher barriers will depress trade. And they have.

Then there's geography. For many UK exporters the exports to the EU (and associated countries) were the only place they exported or made up a major part of their exports.

There are now many recorded cases where the increased barriers from the UK to the EU (and associated) countries have been enough to make it not worth continuing. It does seem to be much harder for smaller businesses.

Jonathan

PS: I think that very few companies would choose to give up trade for "political" reasons. Unfortunately my country did.

[al_yrpal]

It all fits the image I have always recognised, the EU is a protectionist Empire with the excuse that it is protecting its consumers against those awful products from 'abroad' when in reality its simply protecting its industries from competition.

I am sure our resident serial poster of Brexit horror stories wont agree.

Al

[jimlews]

Hi All
Here in Ireland we could get some good ales and beers from UK such as Newcastle Brown,Old Speckled Hen, Doom Bar, Proper Job and the rest, but are not available anymore because of Brexit as apparently it's too much paperwork and cost to import them so all have been replaced with German Dutch Spanish etc. Luckily we still have our own great native stouts and ales and the microbreweries are thriving but it's a bit sad to see them all go.

Simple solution :

Ireland should align itself with the UK regulatory regimen. Then there would be no need for a 'hard border' and Southern Ireland could have the English beers they love.

Don't et upset chaps, I'm only joking..

[roubaixtuesday]

It all fits the image I have always recognised, the EU is a protectionist Empire with the excuse that it is protecting its consumers against those awful products from 'abroad' when in reality its simply protecting its industries from competition.

I am sure our resident serial poster of Brexit horror stories wont agree.

Al

What? You made your mind up first then tortured the facts to fit your opinion??

Say it ain't so.

[thirdcrank]

I know little - or less - about the export of sherbet from the UK but I don't think it's much to do with Brexit.

I do know that the reorganisation of the industry goes back to an earlier time - 1980s - and IIRC Lord Young of Graffham's fingerprints are all over it. In short, the traditional system of pubs "tied" to breweries was ended.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beer_Orders

FWIW I think that the traditional local, as portrayed in soaps - Woolpack, Rover's Return, Queen Victoria - was already doomed through changes in lifestyles

[pete75]

It all fits the image I have always recognised, the EU is a protectionist Empire with the excuse that it is protecting its consumers against those awful products from 'abroad' when in reality its simply protecting its industries from competition.

I am sure our resident serial poster of Brexit horror stories wont agree.

Al

There are no import duties on goods sent from the UK to Europe. Don't try and tell me the formalities for imports is designed to be protectionist. If they are, then the UK is equally so, many small EU buisinesses have stopped trading with UK customers because of the paperwork and regulations.
Brexit has introduced an administartive overhead which wasn't there before. You voted for that to happen.

[Cugel]

It all fits the image I have always recognised, the EU is a protectionist Empire with the excuse that it is protecting its consumers against those awful products from 'abroad' when in reality its simply protecting its industries from competition.

I am sure our resident serial poster of Brexit horror stories wont agree.

Al

What? You made your mind up first then tortured the facts to fit your opinion??

Say it ain't so.

Perhaps there was just the import of certain mind-products, delivered by the protectionist propaganda apparatus of Broken Britain's neolib aristocracy, aka the gutter press? "Free of all adulterating facts and packed with delicious prejudices"!

Cugel

[roubaixtuesday]

The psychology of Brexit is interesting.

There seem to be two iron laws of Brexit

1) People who voted for it will get the opposite of what they wanted. In Al's case, fish is the poster child, more widely it's continued immigration, but there are myriad others.

2) The same people will blame someone else for the failure of their scheme. "It's been implemented wrong", "It's the perfidious EU", "It's COVID", "It's Putin"

I might also suggest a further one, channeling Nils Bohr,

3) The demise of Brexit will proceed one funeral at a time". This may be sooner than expected, given that many who actually voted for the disaster were already pensioners at the time, and perhaps already had one foot in the grave.