EV owners to pay Tax.....

[PedallingSquares]

Well,well,well we didn't see this coming did we
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tfall.html
It's Dieselgate all over again.
PS sorry it's the Daily Fail but that's the link I followed elsewhere.

[Mick F]

The car we have now, and the last one too, are zero VED. Internal combustion engines too.
Lady down the road had a big Peugeot diesel estate and only pays £30 a year.

It's often been discussed about scrapping VED and putting the price of fuel up ......... trouble is, an EV can be charged from your domestic mains electricity .............. and that could be 100% solar, or even a generator driven by a water-wheel ............... so they will have to attract VED.

[rjb]

Taxes are usually levied on a going forward basis so current ( ) owners should remain exempt. Wait for the details on Thursday, but I think VED may well be levied on all new vehicles with a few exemptions like bicycles

[al_yrpal]

So they should, they use the roads and arent particularly green either.

And, VED should be scrapped and the revenue lost gathered from a bigger tax on fuel. Thus, those who use the roads more, and those whose vehicles burn more fuel would pay more.

Al

[ANTONISH]

So they should, they use the roads and arent particularly green either.

And, VED should be scrapped and the revenue lost gathered from a bigger tax on fuel. Thus, those who use the roads more, and those whose vehicles burn more fuel would pay more.

Al

Well if it's a fuel based tax wouldn't EV's be exempt again?

I believe that there should be a tyre tax since micro particles from tyre scrub are a major source of pollution.
That goes for you cyclists as well - albeit to a lesser extent.

[Carlton green]

It’s only right that (car) EV owners pay something that should be used towards the provision and repair of the roads that they travel along. Damage to roads and congestion are something that EV’s contribute to too and hence there is a strong case for them to pay something back. The average price of a new EV car is very high and for benefit in kind tax purposes they are treated very leniently, the users / owners can more than afford to pay road tax.

[tatanab]

Well if it's a fuel based tax wouldn't EV's be exempt again?

I believe that there should be a tyre tax since micro particles from tyre scrub are a major source of pollution.
That goes for you cyclists as well - albeit to a lesser extent.

Simple - have a tax based on weight bands. Since EVs are heavier I expect the owners would moan.

[al_yrpal]

EVs shouldnt be exempt IMO. They are mostly powered at the moment by burning fossil fuels which are also used in huge quantities making them.

By fuels I mean petrol and diesel.

Al

[mjr]

EVs shouldnt be exempt IMO. They are mostly powered at the moment by burning fossil fuels which are also used in huge quantities making them.

By fuels I mean petrol and diesel.

Aren't those hybrids rather than EVs?

[Mick F]

Tyre tax would encourage people to have less tread and even bald tyres. It's bad enough even now!
You can't put it on fuel for two reasons.
Some folk cannot exist without using their cars - people in rural areas for instance.
The other, is the EV's don't use it.

VED is the only fair way I think, but I'd like to see it levied on the mileages between each MOT, as some folk do very few miles, and some folk commute for hours five or six days a week.

We seem to be doing only about 5,000miles a year - just checked with the last two MOTs - so if we paid VED, we would pay half of what someone else would pay doing 10,000miles a year.

Let's say £5 per 1,000miles. Would that be fair?

[Jdsk]

It's 10 y old and needs updating, but the best source that i know on options and numbers is:

"Fuel for thought: the what, why and how of motoring taxation":
https://ifs.org.uk/publications/fuel-th ... g-taxation

Jonathan

[al_yrpal]

Thats not a bad idea, but clocking....?

Doing about 5000 a year too and my new (12 year old) motor is doing 53 mpg on mixed length journeys. Filled it when I bought it on 5th October and still 250 miles to empty tank according to the dashboard display

Al

[ANTONISH]

Tyre tax would encourage people to have less tread and even bald tyres. It's bad enough even now!

That would still be illegal and it would be an MOT fail - some people will always dodge paying VED and insurance plus ignoring the MOT fail.

[Mick F]

Some people just dodge!
There's always a way to get round the rules.

Theoretically, we could drive without insurance, MOT, VED, or even a driving licence.
Who would know?

Stay off the major roads and keep your head down, and you could drive like that for years ............... and many do, I have no doubt.

Same as income tax and VAT. Loadsa people round here work for cash and never pay any tax.

[Psamathe]

So they should, they use the roads and arent particularly green either.

And, VED should be scrapped and the revenue lost gathered from a bigger tax on fuel. Thus, those who use the roads more, and those whose vehicles burn more fuel would pay more.

Al

Well if it's a fuel based tax wouldn't EV's be exempt again?
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At present EV "fuel" is in effect being subsidised by the Gov. Energy Price Cap. So we are eventually all going to be paying towards people charging their EVs at the moment as we all have to pay back the Gov debt and interest caused by the "Energy Price Cap" (or whatever it's called).

Ian