Your Cheating Heart....

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New AI driven software than can defeat plagerism checkers could prove a major headache for teachers, lecturers and students alike. It seems it can' write ' essays which can fool most anyone they are original pieces of work. Could it even make the venerable essay format redundant?


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Surely when any student actually gets into an exam room, then then whether you actually have learned knowledge is going to tell?

Many years ago l had a student with me over a summer, he had just completed a BTEC in accountancy, which was marked 100% on coursework. His dad was an accountant and his mum a teacher, and he was going to university to do accountancy.

A year later he completely failed his 1st year exams, l don't know what options he was given but the last time l saw him he was working full-time, permanent contract in Currys. I don't know why he failed, but the 100% coursework element does make you wonder.
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Interesting; Open AI the company mentioned in the Guardian article are also responsible for Dall E, a program that produces graphic 'art' from a text description.

This is "A Russian red squirrel in army uniform with backpack"
DALL·E 2022-11-28 13.29.15 - Russian red squirrel in army uniform with backpack and gun.png

Or how about "climate emergency in the style of Hieronymus Bosch"
DALL·E 2022-11-27 22.08.51 - climate emergency in the style of Hieronymus Bosch.png
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The motto of our age is Fake It 'Till You Make It. Although in the case of the most naive, that can get you 11 years. Hey Ho.
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I don't remember doing many straight essays at uni. Engineering subjects but it was mostly lab reports and analysis than straight, dry essays.

I did have 29 exams lasting 2 or 3 hours after my first semester. A bit lighter at the end of the first year exams and later years. I guess any cheating would get found out by poor exam results.

The other question is that there's AI programs to find plagiarism and cheating vs AI programs to cheat. That puts it into an arms race. How long before a university starts to have to factor in a cheating fee to cover this? Something all pay up to stop cheats. Just an idea.
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Have we got time for another cuppa?
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Tangled Metal wrote: 28 Nov 2022, 5:44pm I don't remember doing many straight essays at uni. Engineering subjects but it was mostly lab reports and analysis than straight, dry essays.

I did have 29 exams lasting 2 or 3 hours after my first semester. A bit lighter at the end of the first year exams and later years. I guess any cheating would get found out by poor exam results.

The other question is that there's AI programs to find plagiarism and cheating vs AI programs to cheat. That puts it into an arms race. How long before a university starts to have to factor in a cheating fee to cover this? Something all pay up to stop cheats. Just an idea.
Cheating obviously defeats the academic experience, should there be harsher 'sentences' for commited cheats?
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Reminds me of something Samuel Johnson is alleged to have said “Your manuscript is both good and original; but the part that is good is not original, and the part that is original is not good.”
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