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Reeves, Cooper to name just two. My worry is that when they get in, they'll just be Tory-Lite... I write regularly to my local MP, to tell her of all my good ideas. Happy Days!I also write regularly to my MP and only reason I can think of for doing it is I like to be ignored and enjoy wasting my time.simonineaston wrote: ↑29 Nov 2022, 12:08pm ... I write regularly to my local MP, to tell her of all my good ideas. Happy Days!
An excellent speech by her and thank you for posting it. No doubt she will have her moment at some point in the future - I certainly hope so - but Starmer is in post, is a popular figure, is capable and is ready to lead a future Labour Government. Best to stand behind him and spend any efforts available in making sure that he’s elected and supported with the biggest majority possible. Arguing amongst the Labour ranks is music to Conservative ears and just the thing that will help the Conservatives in the next election.
Farage recently said “Starmer is now repeating the UKIP 2015 manifesto… Labour Party are now to the right of the Conservatives on immigration.”Carlton green wrote: ↑29 Nov 2022, 9:51pm
An excellent speech by her and thank you for posting it. No doubt she will have her moment at some point in the future - I certainly hope so - but Starmer is in post, is a popular figure, is capable and is ready to lead a future Labour Government. Best to stand behind him and spend any efforts available in making sure that he’s elected and supported with the biggest majority possible. Arguing amongst the Labour ranks is music to Conservative ears and just the thing that will help the Conservatives in the next election.
Ever leader is promoted from a lesser position. There's no other way to choose them.Psamathe wrote: ↑29 Nov 2022, 10:15pm Guessing who would be a good leader is not always easy. I've seen in in business where people are brilliant working as part or running a team but put then in overall control and it does not work. e.g. one company I was a director of and Sales Director was brilliant, ran Sales very well, and a great success. Then MD left and he took over and within a year company had failed (fortunately taken over for peanuts but most people got to keep their jobs). He was a brilliant Sales Director but useless at being MD.
It was no reflection on his, just he was better suited at a narrower focus and not so good when he had to make decisions over far broader aspects of company operation.
Just because somebody is very good in one role does not men they will be good or bad in a different role requiring different skill sets.
Ian
There are often a lot of indications available to those working closely with them. Often those signs are not apparent from the occasional meeting/speech/performance but working every day it is often easily seen. In my example the Sales Director being made MD was determined from shareholding rather than the best person for the job (and I was never interested as I had already mostly departed the company).pete75 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2022, 10:52amEver leader is promoted from a lesser position. There's no other way to choose them.Psamathe wrote: ↑29 Nov 2022, 10:15pm Guessing who would be a good leader is not always easy. I've seen in in business where people are brilliant working as part or running a team but put then in overall control and it does not work. e.g. one company I was a director of and Sales Director was brilliant, ran Sales very well, and a great success. Then MD left and he took over and within a year company had failed (fortunately taken over for peanuts but most people got to keep their jobs). He was a brilliant Sales Director but useless at being MD.
It was no reflection on his, just he was better suited at a narrower focus and not so good when he had to make decisions over far broader aspects of company operation.
Just because somebody is very good in one role does not men they will be good or bad in a different role requiring different skill sets.
Ian
I don't trust arguments, like yours, based on a single example. I could quote many from my experience where folk promoted to leadership have done an excellent job.Psamathe wrote: ↑30 Nov 2022, 11:06amThere are often a lot of indications available to those working closely with them. Often those signs are not apparent from the occasional meeting/speech/performance but working every day it is often easily seen. In my example the Sales Director being made MD was determined from shareholding rather than the best person for the job (and I was never interested as I had already mostly departed the company).pete75 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2022, 10:52amEver leader is promoted from a lesser position. There's no other way to choose them.Psamathe wrote: ↑29 Nov 2022, 10:15pm Guessing who would be a good leader is not always easy. I've seen in in business where people are brilliant working as part or running a team but put then in overall control and it does not work. e.g. one company I was a director of and Sales Director was brilliant, ran Sales very well, and a great success. Then MD left and he took over and within a year company had failed (fortunately taken over for peanuts but most people got to keep their jobs). He was a brilliant Sales Director but useless at being MD.
It was no reflection on his, just he was better suited at a narrower focus and not so good when he had to make decisions over far broader aspects of company operation.
Just because somebody is very good in one role does not men they will be good or bad in a different role requiring different skill sets.
Ian
Ian
My "argument" is not based on a single example. I am using a single example to illustrate my point. Big difference.pete75 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2022, 11:18amI don't trust arguments, like yours, based on a single example. I could quote many from my experience where folk promoted to leadership have done an excellent job.Psamathe wrote: ↑30 Nov 2022, 11:06amThere are often a lot of indications available to those working closely with them. Often those signs are not apparent from the occasional meeting/speech/performance but working every day it is often easily seen. In my example the Sales Director being made MD was determined from shareholding rather than the best person for the job (and I was never interested as I had already mostly departed the company).
Ian
From the point of view of political leadership prsentation is very important, as is the ability to effectively attack the others sides policies and actions. Rachel Reeves appears better in these respects than Starmer.
Hmmm I'll believe you, millions wouldn't.Psamathe wrote: ↑30 Nov 2022, 11:20amMy "argument" is not based on a single example. I am using a single example to illustrate my point. Big difference.pete75 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2022, 11:18amI don't trust arguments, like yours, based on a single example. I could quote many from my experience where folk promoted to leadership have done an excellent job.Psamathe wrote: ↑30 Nov 2022, 11:06am
There are often a lot of indications available to those working closely with them. Often those signs are not apparent from the occasional meeting/speech/performance but working every day it is often easily seen. In my example the Sales Director being made MD was determined from shareholding rather than the best person for the job (and I was never interested as I had already mostly departed the company).
Ian
From the point of view of political leadership prsentation is very important, as is the ability to effectively attack the others sides policies and actions. Rachel Reeves appears better in these respects than Starmer.
Ian