Dame Westwood-punk hero.

[thirdcrank]

Perhaps one problem is that we have no system for recognising those who do not want to be given an honour.

AIUI, if somebody is on an honours list, they receive a confidential offer, which they can accept or decline.

Acceptance means an investiture, the opportunity to pose for the media in best bib and tucker, and being able to thank all the others whose support led to the honour etc.

Declining the honour is officially the end of the matter ie there's no public announcement that you have spurned what amounts to incorporation. Accepting the honour, then turning up for the investiture and announcing you've left your undies off in protest doesn't seem quite the same.

Perhaps those preferring to decline honours should be offered official publicity eg on a Declined honours list. They might then be xxxx DBE (Declined)

[pete75]

I note this icon of punk chic has passed. Among her great achievements for the movement were



1.rebelling by forsaking underwear on special occasions
2.accepting a knighthood and a peerage
3.selling radical fashion in inner-city Kings Road, the heart of working class London.
4.designing clothes for the elite ,including Teresa May

A true rebel.

Yer not wrong.

[Tangled Metal]

My punk herod were the punk band members that made the music not the punk stylists a be fashion designers. Shoot! The whole idea of punk was surely about doing it for yourself. A rebelling against the music of their parents like beatles, stones and others. Imho the real punk ethos didn't need her and was best without her.

Controversial view i reckon but then I got into punk after it had ended. I was 4 in the 76/77 which I think was the peak. I remember the pistols infamous interview as it happened but not much else. My view is based on the music and various documentaries around the scene made later with interviews of significant ppl from that era from band members to music journos. I still hold punk was about doing it for yourself and attitude not fashion stylists and designers and business ppl like Westwood.

[mumbojumbo]

Punk began in 1967-68 with MC 5
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mc ... &FORM=VIRE

or even earlier


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SutfpQPTM2A

[Tangled Metal]

But the peak had widely been described as 76/77 hence my reference to those years.

As I said I was barely aware of the music at time only getting into it years later. My favourite record at about that time, or a little before, was run rabbit run or peter and the wolf! I do remember seeing the SP news interview though for some reason.

[mumbojumbo]

Prokofiev and Bud Flanagan were an unlikely pairing though both had Russian roots..

[Jdsk]

Bud Flanagan's parents were both Polish.

Jonathan

[axel_knutt]

An hour spent planing wood is sixty scintillating minutes of mindful manual manipulation.My grandad had planes set by blocks, a chiv and an adze.A pattern maker for De Havillands.

My cousin's husband was a pattern maker, he had a contract from the ROF to make some of the patterns for the Challenger tank when they were making them at Barnbow.

[Tangled Metal]

Run rabbit was fun. Peter and the wolf was my first introduction to classical music. I had a lot of talented family members who went to Royal college of music on my dad's side with music teachers, volunteer orchestra musicians, etc. My dad was none of those but he was supposedly the one that potentially the most talented. What's known as a perfect ear, able to hear music and play it on the piano despite never having had lessons. My gran, his mum, was a former pro pianist and the talented teacher popular as someone for with truly talented to get them into RCM or other places.

I think my parents held the view classical music broadens or improves the mind years before research indicated that was true. I however only enjoyed Peter and the wolf. Not a bad start to musical appreciation pre school. Years later it was Adam and the ants, police when I started to choose my own music. Then rolling stones, stranglers, Clapton, into the blues them nme got me into the clash and later led on to punk. I was however late into the music I like. I admit I only start to like music after they've lost popularity I reckon. I'm only just getting into appreciating Prince for example. However I do figure that I was too young to appreciate most of my musical tastes when they were released as I was not born or too young. Only just recently I've rea there's some good music from the era I listened to it when it came out.

Prokofiev to punk! What a journey?!! Lol

[pwa]

I was about 15 when Punk exploded in 1976. Suddenly, almost overnight, flared trousers and long hair were out of fashion, and we had adults struggling to deal with the raucus music of the young. Which the young seemed to like. But I wasn't cool and on-trend, so I was a bit iffy about much of it. Later, in 1979, I ended up in a ram packed hall of about 2500 people to see The Clash, on their London Calling tour, but it still wasn't grabbing me. At about that time I also saw Ian Dury and the Blockheads, who were magnificent. But (and whisper it quietly) they were real musicians who swore a bit, and probably adopted Punk aesthetics and mannerisms to ride the tide. And then it all progressed into New Wave, which meant stuff like The Police and Blondie, keeping some of the Punk aesthetics for a while, but branching out with their own sounds. In fact, raucus, harsh Punk music only really held centre stage of popular music for a year or two, with Blondie and the like then taking over with more widely appreciated sounds.

Apart from the tighter trousers, I could never be bothered with Punk fashion. And as something widely seen on young people, it really was short lived. It is now a form of retro. It always struck me as a silly show-off look, so I don't remember it fondly. I don't remember any fashion fondly. I have been a jeans and sweatshirt person over recent decades, dismissive of all fashion. I don't have a use for it. It does nothing for me. VW worked in an industry that means nothing to me. Okay, a long time ago she helped to free me of the misery of the excess fabric of flared trousers, which were terrible in the rain, so maybe she helped me with that one thing. Oh, and the acceptance of shorter hair. She helped with that too. That's two things that made life easier for me. Worth a Damehood? Perhaps,

[mumbojumbo]

Bud Flanagans' parents were Polish ,having been driven out of Soviet Union .when young.

[Jdsk]

Bud Flanagans' parents were Polish ,having been driven out of Soviet Union .when young.

Bud Flanagan was born in 1896 in London. The Soviet Union wasn't formed until 1922.

The oppression of his Polish Jewish parents may have been from Tsarist Russia.

Jonathan

[mumbojumbo]

OK, lets agree they left this place in a hurry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novosibirsk

[Jdsk]

What's the evidence his parents were in Novosibirsk, please?

The timing looks tight: Novosibirsk was founded in 1893, and by 1896 his parents had been married in Radom and he had been born in London.

Thanks

Jonathan

[PedallingSquares]

IMO no one 'sold out' like a certain Mr John Lydon AKA Johnny Rotten.
Butter commercials,out and out Tory(despite living in the US).He's often described as a 'Punk icon' too.
I got into Punk in 76/78 through my older cousin.I was 8 or 9.I was more involved with 'the second wave' in the early 80s when the thrash stuff hit the scene.
My favourite song is Wasted Life by Stiff Little Fingers.I first heard it in 1978 and it made the hairs on the back of my neck stick up.It still does today some 45 years later.I was a Punk then and still consider myself one now.For many it was a fad,for many it's been a lifelong affair.I still go to Punk gigs and you'd be surprised how many 50+ year olds are still in the old Mosh-pit