reohn2 wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 1:03am
[XAP]Bob wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 12:23am
Really - yes.
Depends how many minutes... a modern car can charge up three hours worth of fuel in ten minutes, just enough time for a loo break
Only if I'm prepared to spend £30k+ on the car in the first place, which I'm not because a BEV won't serve my driving mileage
Who said anything about spending £30k+ if you live at the tail end of vehicle lifetime (which you frankly admit that you do) then you're not going to get a modern EV for several years yet.
But to claim that no BEV can charge in "minutes" is plain wrong.
- and the cybertruck (which is frankly absurd) should be able to do three times that
You've lost me,what's a cybertruck
Massively oversized tesla pickup truck - will have Megawatt charging capability (which is somewhat ridiculous)
But 90+% of the miles I do take no time to charge at all - no diversion to a smelly dirty garage
But it would me unless the vehicle is worth the initial outlay and will do 250miles between charges.
What are these smelly garages you speak of?
Generally I fill up every 700+miles at quite plesent service stations usually with convenience store attached should I need to use it.
I've never been to a petrol station that doesn't smell of petrol.
I fill up from the comfort of my own bed... but 250 miles between charges is quite reasonable - there are 88 vehicles with a range over 250 miles on the ev database - from £40k new. I know you don't want to buy a new car, but for comparison the bottom of the line SMax is £38k.
If you leave a fully charged car plugged in at a public charger then it won't do anything... it can't, your battery is already full.
My point was that peoplemwho leave their car plugged in at a charging station cause queues of other BEVs waiting to use the charger,something that does happen quite a bit or so I'm told.
Actually pretty rare, obviously when it happens then it gets commented on - but it is rare.
That's the thing, you conveniently forget about the times when petrol stations have run out of fuel, or have queues, or that time when you accidentally put petrol in a diesel tank. It's not wilful self deception, you're just used to those failure modes, how often do you talk about when you just drive into a petrol station and filled up? Never - same way I don't talk about the times when I just drive up to a charger and use it... because it's a non event - and it's almost always a non event.
There are far more public charge locations than petrol stations
Do they all work and are they only used form the same time as a fuel pump
I don't understand the question - there are ~8k petrol stations in the UK and ~23k charging locations, with over 60k connectors across 39k devices.
Some of those devices will, like a petrol pump, only be able to use one of their connectors at a time - others can use both.
Do they all work 100% of the time... depends which ones you use - AC chargers (the majority) are very reliable, and the better networks (MFG, instavolt) are utterly reliable,
- I recently took a trip to London, I parked up, plugged in and then went and visited the natural history museum to see Hope.
I came out after a few hours and the car was nearly full again - parking and charging paid for in the same transaction, no hassle, no fuss - first charger I visited (I had four alternatives within about 100 yards of the museum, and a couple of others only a stones throw further. All looked up the day before.)
Ah! London now I see,we don't all live or visit big cities and IMHO private cars,other than a very few exceptions,shouldn't be allowed in cities.BTW I thought you said BEVs only took a 10minutes to charge up
It's a <i>[rude word removed]</i> pain to take a wheelchair on the tube, so I drive in.
Museums are really good places to visit, and the Exhibition road area is stuffed full of them after the great exhibition.
It took me less than a minute to charge up - I just plugged in and carried on with what I was doing. The street side charger I used was an AC (i.e. only 28mph) charger, so the few hours I was there was plenty to replenish the charge.
If you're going to throw stones at BEVs you really do need to understand the technology a little better.
No, most people don't want to keep a can of flammable liquid loose in the boot, and most of the people I know who are like that aren't mechanically sympathetic, so use of said can would be "interesting
The interesting thing is that they needn't carry a can of fuel due to service stations are so prolific.
All my motoring life I've driven with anything upto 70ltres of flammable liquid somewhere on the vehicle,innthe fuel tank,and on every motorcycle I've owned I've ridden with anything upto 25ltres of flammable liquid inbetween my legs right over the top of the engine,never had any problems with that either and I've fell off a couple of times
Never had a problem
Oh, so they don't need to carry a can in the boot? You just said they did.
There is a massive difference between a dedicated fuel tank and a loose can of fuel.
Service stations are less prolific than charging stations - there are approximately 8 thousand in the country. Every building can be a charging station.
All that said I'm still not convinced about BEVs and doubt I will be,but never say never eh?
Have you ever actually used one?