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If it wasn't so warm I'd be thinking wood stoves...
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This is so obviously false, I'd suggest you are either an air pollution denier or have a defective sense of smell!But the smell of car exhausts is a thing from the past, unless an engine has been started from cold
Also a highly dubious claim.As the scientists remind us, it's pollution from tyres which is much more of a concern.
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You might find it dubious, but others would disagree with you -Mark R wrote: ↑31 Mar 2023, 5:44pmThis is so obviously false, I'd suggest you are either an air pollution denier or have a defective sense of smell!But the smell of car exhausts is a thing from the past, unless an engine has been started from cold
Also a highly dubious claim.As the scientists remind us, it's pollution from tyres which is much more of a concern.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -pollution
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/tyre ... study-says
https://www.science.org/content/article ... isk-salmon
https://www.plymouth.ac.uk/news/major-s ... -and-ocean
Yes, I can smell the exhaust pollution of cars with cold engines, of cars with faults, of some older cars, but in general I find modern car exhausts are extraordinarily clean.
An air pollution denier? Well, that's a new one.
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The only suspension failure I've had was on an 18 month old Tesla. True it didn't cost me money to fix, but did cost a lot of inconvenience.[XAP]Bob wrote: ↑31 Mar 2023, 1:02pm The suspension failure could have occurred on any vehicle, but it's both more likely, and importantly is an unexpected expense, on a vehicle which isn't covered by warranty. The comparison there was between a ten year old car and a brand new one, not between BEV and ICE.
On the other hand you're going to spend about 10 times longer per visit at the EV charging station. And a lot of EV charging points are incorporated into standard filling stations.[XAP]Bob wrote: ↑31 Mar 2023, 1:02pm.
An EV station... no exhaust on the floor, nothing smelly being moved around, nothing to spill out over the connectors.
As I said - having not been to a liquid fuel forecourt in over two years it was somewhat of a shock to the system, and I used to use that forecourt frequently. It's not one that's particularly worse than any other.
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What you can often smell is a smell caused by the catylic converter.
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As I understand things at the moment the comparative filling time for rapid charging and petrol tank filling are likely in that order or worse. Of course the rapid charging might well - and sadly it’s not unlikely - degrade your battery and a long range battery car has about half the range of a similar petrol powered car.sjs wrote: ↑1 Apr 2023, 1:25pmOn the other hand you're going to spend about 10 times longer per visit at the EV charging station. And a lot of EV charging points are incorporated into standard filling stations.[XAP]Bob wrote: ↑31 Mar 2023, 1:02pm.
An EV station... no exhaust on the floor, nothing smelly being moved around, nothing to spill out over the connectors.
As I said - having not been to a liquid fuel forecourt in over two years it was somewhat of a shock to the system, and I used to use that forecourt frequently. It's not one that's particularly worse than any other.
Of course times will change and are changing, battery technology will improve and somehow roll down to models that the poorer folk in society use, but such changes aren’t on my horizon. I look around and see hardly any electric cars and certainly no public charging where I live. Similarly I see very few independent garages that have the skills required to maintain electric cars, electric cars might well be reliable but a reliable thing that can’t be mended is more of a liability than a less reliable thing that can be mended.
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A great deal depends on where you live, and it’s pretty easy to see the distribution if you look at charging point maps.
Something that is pushing rural charging facilities is holiday lets, where townies are beginning to look for a charging point in the same way that they look for broadband, as one of the factors attracting them to a particular cottage. I think The Archers has a rural charging plot line at the moment, but I only hear it accidentally and occasionally, so I don’t know the details.
Something that is pushing rural charging facilities is holiday lets, where townies are beginning to look for a charging point in the same way that they look for broadband, as one of the factors attracting them to a particular cottage. I think The Archers has a rural charging plot line at the moment, but I only hear it accidentally and occasionally, so I don’t know the details.
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Yes, I think that individual homes and businesses might well chose to have charging points but whether that leads to public charging points is another matter.Nearholmer wrote: ↑1 Apr 2023, 3:07pm A great deal depends on where you live, and it’s pretty easy to see the distribution if you look at charging point maps.
Something that is pushing rural charging facilities is holiday lets, where townies are beginning to look for a charging point in the same way that they look for broadband, as one of the factors attracting them to a particular cottage. I think The Archers has a rural charging plot line at the moment, but I only hear it accidentally and occasionally, so I don’t know the details.
With regard to cars it’s going to be interesting to see what happens in 2025 with euro 7 (which also has parts that apply to electric cars too). https://www.carwow.co.uk/guides/running ... ained#gref
Of course we’re outside of the EU now but in practice there will still be overlap.
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I should imagine that rural areas will naturally see among the slowest take up of BEV for multiple reasons:
- average trip distances are probably longer than in more densely populated areas;
- more genuine element of needing a car in “hot standby” mode for emergencies;
- in some counties, a markedly older than average demographic, with a proportion unlikely to buy another car after the one they have now;
- some rural areas have quite low average incomes;
- etc.
I’d guess that some north of England urban areas will also see slow take-up, simply because of low average incomes.
- average trip distances are probably longer than in more densely populated areas;
- more genuine element of needing a car in “hot standby” mode for emergencies;
- in some counties, a markedly older than average demographic, with a proportion unlikely to buy another car after the one they have now;
- some rural areas have quite low average incomes;
- etc.
I’d guess that some north of England urban areas will also see slow take-up, simply because of low average incomes.
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And some southern urban areas too. You're making the mistake of thinking all in the south are well off. Some London boroughs are amongst the most deprived in the country.Nearholmer wrote: ↑1 Apr 2023, 4:53pm
I’d guess that some north of England urban areas will also see slow take-up, simply because of low average incomes.
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Places not associated with wealth have comfortably off folk and places associated with wealth also have relative poverty. The country is split in many different ways.pete75 wrote: ↑1 Apr 2023, 5:21pmAnd some southern urban areas too. You're making the mistake of thinking all in the south are well off. Some London boroughs are amongst the most deprived in the country.Nearholmer wrote: ↑1 Apr 2023, 4:53pm
I’d guess that some north of England urban areas will also see slow take-up, simply because of low average incomes.
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Be an odd mistake for me to make as a southerner, and a person who spent forty years working in and around London, with frequent cause to be in decidedly not-prosperous areas.You're making the mistake of thinking all in the south are well off. Some London boroughs are amongst the most deprived in the country.
No, London has a different dynamic. It does have quite high take-up overall, because as well as having very deprived areas, it has very rich areas, often rubbing right up against one another, but it also has, taken as a whole, far better public transport than most places in the UK, so the whole modal pattern of travel is different. Added to which, London has a ULEZ.
This graphic from SMMT, which takes a bit of reading, seems to show London as having highest % of EVs of any region, but I haven’t yet found more granular or more up-to-date information.
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Yes London as a whole may have more electric vehicles but I'd imagine there will be very low take ups in some boroughs.Nearholmer wrote: ↑1 Apr 2023, 5:46pmBe an odd mistake for me to make as a southerner, and a person who spent forty years working in and around London, with frequent cause to be in decidedly not-prosperous areas.You're making the mistake of thinking all in the south are well off. Some London boroughs are amongst the most deprived in the country.
No, London has a different dynamic. It does have quite high take-up overall, because as well as having very deprived areas, it has very rich areas, often rubbing right up against one another, but it also has, taken as a whole, far better public transport than most places in the UK, so the whole modal pattern of travel is different. Added to which, London has a ULEZ.
This graphic from SMMT, which takes a bit of reading, seems to show London as having highest % of EVs of any region, but I haven’t yet found more granular or more up-to-date information.
There are other deprived areas in the south too, not just in London. Dismal dumps like Luton, Swindon, High Wycombe, Romford, Brentwood, Dartford, Harlow, Stevenage, Slough, Dagenham, Crawley etc probably won't have a very high take up either , at least until second hand prices drop to bugger all.
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