Are you "Infected by a remainer mind virus"?

[sjs]

I am prepared to compromise on that.

Ginger nuts?!

I'm more of a Hobnob person myself, but don't like the overly buttery French biscuits we keep getting given as gifts. Actually, there are quite a few biscuit types I'm not keen on. This has the makings of another long running online feud. Maybe best left without further comment?

Since the demise of the Abbey Crunch there have been no biscuits worth eating.

[roubaixtuesday]

For anyone interested in facts, here's some research on food and other essentials prices here and in continental Europe.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65833619

There is huge difference between European countries.

As far as Brexit goes, what we can say is that prices have gone up relative to what they were before.

Reporting:

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/brexit ... 023-05-25/

And the original research behind it:

https://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit18.pdf

[Jdsk]

Thanks for including the facts and the sources: I hope that it catches on.

IIUC those are prices in converted currency rates and don't take into account purchasing power. So they do describe the experience of tourists but not of residents. And the purchasing power of households in the UK is very different from that in some of those other countries.

Jonathan

[Jdsk]

...
And the original research behind it:

https://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit18.pdf

Thanks, hadn't seen that before. And that's the key topic for this thread: the effects of the UK being a Member State of the EU or not.

Jonathan

[roubaixtuesday]

Thanks for including the facts and the sources: I hope that it catches on.

Thoughts and prayers

[PDQ Mobile]

And the old saying, statistics and damn lies.

The FACT is that I personally shopped in the Alsace in the last few weeks and many things were cheaper there than in N Wales.
Especially but not only seasonal veg.
A large bag of wonderful quality oranges was a third of the price and the quality was much higher.
Bread, wonderful quality ham (far better than at home) and French Cheeses were all significantly cheaper.

And that with the exchange rate really down.

[pwa]

For anyone interested in facts, here's some research on food and other essentials prices here and in continental Europe.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65833619

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There is huge difference between European countries.

As far as Brexit goes, what we can say is that prices have gone up relative to what they were before.

Reporting:

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/brexit ... 023-05-25/

And the original research behind it:

https://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit18.pdf

I remember before Brexit, going to Germany to visit someone and enjoying the lower food prices. And since then we've had the inflation thing, with world energy prices at the heart of it. That, and the food industry profiteering.

[Psamathe]

For anyone interested in facts, here's some research on food and other essentials prices here and in continental Europe.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65833619

1000003107.jpg

There is huge difference between European countries.

As far as Brexit goes, what we can say is that prices have gone up relative to what they were before.

Reporting:

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/brexit ... 023-05-25/

And the original research behind it:

https://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit18.pdf

Is there an aspect of quality? My experience of France (lived there quite a few years ago and more recent cycle tours), Both French & UK supermarkets have some rubbish quality but my subjective impression is that generally quality is a lot higher in France than in UK. And my impression is that French people seek quality & taste more than British (so buy more expensive). It can be difficult to compare like with like eg big range of different tomatoes but much of shelf space in UK is cheaper/poorer quality whereas in France more shelf space with higher quality. Just an impression.

Ian

[Jdsk]

The economic effects of our decision to Leave the EU are now routinely appearing in the official OBR outlook. This is a healthy development as it encourages thinking about the future and our options.

Here's yesterday's:
https://obr.uk/efo/economic-and-fiscal- ... arch-2024/

Jonathan

PS: What's new is a much more detailed analysis of the effects of migration.

[Psamathe]

Poor old Conservative Party now getting upset because despite Hunt wanting to increase the VAT threshold more than he managed, it was apparently the EU regulations that stopped him! And all those supporters of brexit thought we'd "taken back control"

Apparently it was the Windsor Agreement (for NI) and raising the England/Scotland/Wales VAT threshold further mwould have been fine, but not allowed in NI which would have meant NI having a different VAT threashold to the rest of the UK and what does one think the DUP would have done then ...

VAT threshold for UK businesses limited by EU rules, Hunt admits privately
...
Hunt told multiple MPs ahead of the budget that £90,000 was the highest he could raise the threshold because of the Northern Ireland protocol agreed with the EU.

The disclosure has angered Tory Brexiters who are critical of the protocol, which set Northern Ireland’s relationship with Britain and the EU after Brexit.
...

Ian

[wheelyhappy99]

my subjective impression is that generally quality is a lot higher in France than in UK.

I agree. Much better quality fresh produce especially. Exacerbated by the often much poorer quality of produce on sale here since the oven ready deal.

[Jdsk]

"Brexit and the State":
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/upload ... -State.pdf
"This report examines how the British state has changed as a result of Brexit. Leaving the EU has significantly altered the size and shape of the state, creating new tasks, functions and policies for it to manage. It has also altered its relationships with key stakeholders."

Jonathan

[roubaixtuesday]

"Brexit and the State":
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/upload ... -State.pdf
"This report examines how the British state has changed as a result of Brexit. Leaving the EU has significantly altered the size and shape of the state, creating new tasks, functions and policies for it to manage. It has also altered its relationships with key stakeholders."

Jonathan

Overall, the number of civil servants has increased by around 100,000 since Brexit. That is not all attributable to Brexit – the responses to the Covid-19 pandemic and asylum claims have also driven numbers up – but most of the changes from 2016-2020 can be put down to Brexit, which was the major preoccupation of the government for that period.

Would be interested to hear from supporters of Brexit if 100,000 more civil servants was what they wanted.

Civil service has also increased proportion of employees in London. Again, was a relative increase in London spending what you wanted?

What a waste.

[al_yrpal]

How many UK staff were in Brussels?

How are EU commissioners chosen and put in charge?

Where is the EU HQ Brussels or Strasbourg?

How much were we paying the EU?

Al

[roubaixtuesday]

How many UK staff were in Brussels?

How are EU commissioners chosen and put in charge?

Where is the EU HQ Brussels or Strasbourg?

How much were we paying the EU?

Al

Random unrelated questions, no answers, no surprise.

Meanwhile, the Brexit bureaucracy bonus is around +100,000, and the economic penalty about -5% of UK GDP, £130 billion, every year. That's actually quite comparable to the *total* EU budget.

Naturally, these facts, being the antithesis of what was promised, prove too uncomfortable to admit, so have to be deflected.