Who on this forum did anything about this when it was still going through Parliament?
What did you do?
thirdcrank wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 11:58am Read the Act itself - linked above - and it has this near the start:-
Perhaps the people to lobby were the "Commons" when it was in its earlier stages. As noted right at the beginning of this thread, there were those drawing attention to potential faults in the law so it's not been smuggled in under cover of darkness.Be it enacted by the King’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:—
Waiting till it's been enacted then blaming the police for its enactment seems a bit rich to me.
I suggest reading this thread:thirdcrank wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 12:10pmWho on this forum did anything about this when it was still going through Parliament?
Maybe this highlights a failing of our political system, not that many don't do anything but many can't do anything. I write to my MP periodically and am totally ignored - he regards his role (in a "Safe Conservative Seat") as to vote as Party dictate.thirdcrank wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 12:10pmWho on this forum did anything about this when it was still going through Parliament?
What did you do?
I hope that the length of detention will be considered if there's ever any review. At the moment it looks far too long.Psamathe wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 11:33am ...
I agree that "mistakes will happen" but the Police need to be aware that 'mistakes will happen" and part of the (pre?) arrest procedures should be to quickly identify the mistakes and rectify them i.e. not hold a "mistake" for 13 hours and hope the "mistake" does not raise a complaint.
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Other things that we can do are support organisations that try to protect rights, and donate to the legal defence of those whose rights are infringed.Psamathe wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 12:26pmMaybe this highlights a failing of our political system, not that many don't do anything but many can't do anything. I write to my MP periodically and am totally ignored - he regards his role (in a "Safe Conservative Seat") as to vote as Party dictate.thirdcrank wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 12:10pmWho on this forum did anything about this when it was still going through Parliament?
What did you do?
I've even written on issues where I have expertise and several qualifications (listing many post-nominals) - totally ignored.
I am not allowed to write to other MPs (outside my constituency) or at least if I do they'll just say I need to write to my own MP. Although we don't get to vote for PM, we've not yet had a General Election where we get to vote with result putting Sunak or Starmer in PM. Only election we have had has shown electorate is not happy with Conservatives and their reaction is to double down on their ideology, continuing what they were doing before the disasterous election.
Exactly. And legislating but assuming that the laws won't be used is an excellent example of the triumph of hope over experience.mjr wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 12:05pmDoes anyone really feel that it is good to have a badly-written over-broad rushed-through law, just because you don't expect the police to use it as written? And how can you reasonably expect that when police have already used that law in what they call "regrettable" ways to arrest people?Sum wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 10:55am In that scenario I would hope considerately locking your bike somewhere would avoid the issue in the first place, or if offense was given somehow, you could de-escalate the situation by moving the bike elsewhere. I wouldn't expect in those circumstances to be accused of being a protestor and carted off under Public Order Act 2023.
It's a bad law. Repeal and try again.
To save me from re-reading that thread, perhaps you might link to any discussion of forum members lobbying their own MPs to prevent this being enacted, or to have it enacted in a different form.Jdsk wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 12:22pm
I suggest reading this thread:thirdcrank wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 12:10pmWho on this forum did anything about this when it was still going through Parliament?
"Braverman: Rise of the Fascists":
viewtopic.php?p=1734666&hilit=law+protest#p1734666
The removal of rights and the risks of these changes were clearly identified before the Act became law. People discussed it. They're now discussing it. There wasn't any "waiting".
Jonathan
You accused people of waiting before the the enactment before doing anything. You've now shifted to criticism of what people did or didn't do, although neither you nor I know what other people did.thirdcrank wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 12:37pm...
To save me from re-reading that thread, perhaps you might link to any discussion of forum members lobbying their own MPs to prevent this being enacted, or to have it enacted in a different form.
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We can but people have limited means (particularly with levels of inflation we are currently experiencing) as well as different priorities for sectors they can make donations to. In my case it's wildlife and conservation charities.Jdsk wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 12:28pmOther things that we can do are support organisations that try to protect rights, and donate to the legal defence of those whose rights are infringed.Psamathe wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 12:26pmMaybe this highlights a failing of our political system, not that many don't do anything but many can't do anything. I write to my MP periodically and am totally ignored - he regards his role (in a "Safe Conservative Seat") as to vote as Party dictate.thirdcrank wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 12:10pm
Who on this forum did anything about this when it was still going through Parliament?
What did you do?
I've even written on issues where I have expertise and several qualifications (listing many post-nominals) - totally ignored.
I am not allowed to write to other MPs (outside my constituency) or at least if I do they'll just say I need to write to my own MP. Although we don't get to vote for PM, we've not yet had a General Election where we get to vote with result putting Sunak or Starmer in PM. Only election we have had has shown electorate is not happy with Conservatives and their reaction is to double down on their ideology, continuing what they were doing before the disasterous election.
Jonathan
So turning the clocks back to 1992 (or perhaps it was 1994) Michael Howard's criminal justice act found its way onto the statue books... back then I was still protesting..thirdcrank wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 12:10pmWho on this forum did anything about this when it was still going through Parliament?
What did you do?
If the House of Lords couldn't stop it, what can any of us do?thirdcrank wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 12:10pmWho on this forum did anything about this when it was still going through Parliament?
What did you do?
Not by all back then. Surprisingly, Mrs Thatcher in a 1989 speech to the UN saidcycle tramp wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 10:50pm
So turning the clocks back to 1992 (or perhaps it was 1994) Michael Howard's criminal justice act found its way onto the statue books... back then I was still protesting..
So, what am I going to do now we have another public order bill?
...be grateful of all the things that have happened between then and now..
Back then global warming wasn't even believed and the science was openly derided, the department of transport wouldn't accept any
Only surprising if you don't remember the actual Thatcher instead of the perverted myth idolised by the new Tories. For all her faults, she was a scientist, not a public relations spinner or a PPE (the subject not the products) aristo-wannabe.pete75 wrote: ↑14 May 2023, 12:22pm Not by all back then. Surprisingly, Mrs Thatcher in a 1989 speech to the UN said
“What we are now doing to the world, by degrading the land surfaces, by polluting the waters and by adding greenhouse gases to the air at an unprecedented rate — all this is new in the experience of the Earth,” she told the general assembly. “It is mankind and his activities which are changing the environment of our planet in damaging and dangerous ways.”