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Feel free to post here about your favourite competitive event, but please indicate in the title if there are spoilers.

If it's not in the title, please don't post spoilers.
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Is there any guideline as to how long after the event is it acceptable to discuss who won?
eg if I say Fred Wright won the nationals road race … the race is over I know the result and so does anybody else who is half interested. Trevor of Taunton hasn’t watched it and has purposefully not looked at any results he’s going to watch it tonight I’ve now spoilt it for him. :x
I would have thought the onus was on Trevor not to look at anything remotely discussing the Nationals. Trevor should assume the title of something he’s interested in could be a spoiler.
Obviously I’m wrong but confused and now wary of posting anything. When an event is over it’s over and results are common knowledge and readily available on many platforms.
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Vorpal wrote: 3 Jul 2023, 12:37pm Feel free to post here about your favourite competitive event, but please indicate in the title if there are spoilers.

If it's not in the title, please don't post spoilers.
I would suggest tweaking the post title to 'SPOILER WARNINGS' or 'Please include SPOILER WARNINGS' - I think that helps catch the eye and is what has been done with the warnings on the for sale boards - viewforum.php?f=32.

In addition, there is a discussion on the 'Bury Clarion Rule!' thread which has prompted this about the title itself being a spoiler, because many people following the race would know that 'Bury Clarion Rule!' meant that one of the Yates brothers had won the stage. I don't follow the sport so didn't know about it, but I would suggest amending the spoiler rule as follows:
Feel free to post here about your favourite competitive event, but please indicate in the title if there are spoilers.

Please also ensure that the title itself is not a spoiler, which would include titles which hint at or imply the result of a race.
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Paulatic wrote: 3 Jul 2023, 1:13pm Is there any guideline as to how long after the event is it acceptable to discuss who won?
We're making it up as we go along - what do you think the guideline should be?
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slowster wrote: 3 Jul 2023, 1:27pm
Paulatic wrote: 3 Jul 2023, 1:13pm Is there any guideline as to how long after the event is it acceptable to discuss who won?
We're making it up as we go along - what do you think the guideline should be?
Let me reiterate when the event's over the event's over and readily available to discuss the outcome. If I haven’t seen a result of something I’m going to watch later then I believe the onus is on me to stay away from anything remotely related to anything which might spoil my enjoyment of watching later.
I should add I’ve watched many a race on an evening where I’ve known the result earlier in the day. It’s never dulled my enjoyment.
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slowster wrote: 3 Jul 2023, 1:27pm
Paulatic wrote: 3 Jul 2023, 1:13pm Is there any guideline as to how long after the event is it acceptable to discuss who won?
We're making it up as we go along - what do you think the guideline should be?
I don't know. But my favoured term is Spoiler Alert.

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Paulatic wrote: 3 Jul 2023, 1:36pm
slowster wrote: 3 Jul 2023, 1:27pm
Paulatic wrote: 3 Jul 2023, 1:13pm Is there any guideline as to how long after the event is it acceptable to discuss who won?
We're making it up as we go along - what do you think the guideline should be?
Let me reiterate when the event's over the event's over and readily available to discuss the outcome. If I haven’t seen a result of something I’m going to watch later then I believe the onus is on me to stay away from anything remotely related to anything which might spoil my enjoyment of watching later.
I should add I’ve watched many a race on an evening where I’ve known the result earlier in the day. It’s never dulled my enjoyment.
It's really simple - you only post spoilers in an area [in this place, in a Thread] where a fellow cycling fan must CHOOSE to see. Make it as hard as possible to see accidentally.

So don't put it in a thread title! Don't put it in an email to a mate - unless there's some way of hiding it- - and especially not in the Subject feld!

Like in the real world - you don't walk over to a group of cyclists and shout out "what about Cav, eh??". You might say : "Does everyone know today's result?" if you REALLY want to talk to someone about it,

We've had the internet for a very long time now - it's just bad manners not to figure this etiquette out. And the Tour is three weeks - that's a long time to just Stay Off The Internet!
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Paulatic wrote: 3 Jul 2023, 1:13pm Is there any guideline as to how long after the event is it acceptable to discuss who won?
Do you mean without putting in the title that there are spoilers?

I don't know. 1 week? 2 weeks? I guess that the main reason would be people being away.
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The other forum I inhabit allows spoilers to be hidden under a button and revealed at a click. It's maybe too hefty a mod* to incorporate here but it works.

* modification. I wouldn't be so crass as to suggest that our moderators were hefty. :shock:
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A lot simpler, for posters, readers and mods, to assume/ warn anything within the competitive forum could be a spoiler if you’re a 'watch later, not live' person.
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Paulatic wrote: 4 Jul 2023, 10:14am A lot simpler, for posters, readers and mods, to assume/ warn anything within the competitive forum could be a spoiler if you’re a 'watch later, not live' person.
It still needs some restraint in the Subject.

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Paulatic wrote: 4 Jul 2023, 10:14am A lot simpler, for posters, readers and mods, to assume/ warn anything within the competitive forum could be a spoiler if you’re a 'watch later, not live' person.
If you're not already aware, please note how this works:
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Jdsk wrote: 4 Jul 2023, 10:24am It still needs some restraint in the Subject.
This ^^ (and also as mattheus says earlier).
If you post a thread titled "Bury Clarion rules!" then most people who follow pro cycling will know that's a positive result for at least one of the Yates twins even if it's not spelt out explicitly.
Same if you post something with a title like, I dunno, "35!!" which anyone with half a brain would work out instantly is a Cav win.

A simple title like "Tour stage xxx (spoiler alert)" works fine - that way anyone who wants to discuss whatever stage it is can head there and anyone who's waiting for the highlights programme later can still browse the rest of the forum without inadvertently seeing a result.

It's pretty basic internet etiquette and allows people to browse a forum on their favourite subject (while avoiding news feeds).
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mattheus wrote: 4 Jul 2023, 10:54am
Paulatic wrote: 4 Jul 2023, 10:14am A lot simpler, for posters, readers and mods, to assume/ warn anything within the competitive forum could be a spoiler if you’re a 'watch later, not live' person.
If you're not already aware, please note how this works:
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Fully aware as that is my default.
I’m not bothered by spoilers though.
Jdsk wrote: 4 Jul 2023, 10:24am
It still needs some restraint in the Subject.

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Why?
I don’t understand especially as the word ‘spoiler’ in a topic title has only been used 13 times since 2008

I can see it can help some people and that might be all good. I’m thinking along the lines an OP doesn’t put it in the title and yet the conversation within naturally moves along to results.
Take for example my ‘record attempt’ thread should I put spoiler In the title or should we not reveal what’s happened for a week or two?
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Paulatic wrote: 4 Jul 2023, 12:13pm
mattheus wrote: 4 Jul 2023, 10:54am
Paulatic wrote: 4 Jul 2023, 10:14am A lot simpler, for posters, readers and mods, to assume/ warn anything within the competitive forum could be a spoiler if you’re a 'watch later, not live' person.
If you're not already aware, please note how this works:
search.php?search_id=newposts
Fully aware as that is my default.
I’m not bothered by spoilers though.
Jdsk wrote: 4 Jul 2023, 10:24am It still needs some restraint in the Subject.
Why?
I don’t understand especially as the word ‘spoiler’ in a topic title has only been used 13 times since 2008

I can see it can help some people and that might be all good. I’m thinking along the lines an OP doesn’t put it in the title and yet the conversation within naturally moves along to results.
Take for example my ‘record attempt’ thread should I put spoiler In the title or should we not reveal what’s happened for a week or two?
The objective is to allow watchers to look at Subjects in a forum without any information about the results. If the Subject discloses the result then they can't even look at the index page for that forum.

Then including Spoiler alert in the Subject warns them not to open that specific thread unless they want to see the results.

I agree that a thread could be started without the apparent need for the spoiler alert but could drift to disclosure.

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