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gaz wrote: ↑15 Aug 2023, 8:25pm
Neither is wearing dark clothing a criminal act.

I assume you were not around in the 70s

"BE SEEN BE SAFE WEAR A LIGHT COLOUR"

Pinhead wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 3:19pm

gaz wrote: ↑15 Aug 2023, 8:25pm
Neither is wearing dark clothing a criminal act.

I assume you were not around in the 70s

"BE SEEN BE SAFE WEAR A LIGHT COLOUR"

I was, and I remember the slogan and its not true. Wearing a lighter colour does not in any way guarantee your safety...

An anecdote of this was a couple of years ago, when responding to an emergency call, relative of mine had his ambulance written off when a car emerged from a side road... despite the ambulance at the time having full flashing lights and making that woo woo woo noise.
The same thing happened in the next month, and he lost another ambulance... afterwards, my relative quit his paramedic role to look for a less exciting job...

...
Wearing a lighter colour does not in any way guarantee your safety...

There is one randomised controlled trial of high-visibility clothing worn by cyclists.

Jonathan

A number of posts have been removed or edited.

Please do not insult each other.

Thanks.

I wasn't aware I was.
However I did ask why someone who held a driving licence was unable to cycle on the roads. I felt that this was perhaps the crux to several posts which had been made in the past.

Jdsk wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 3:42pm

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Wearing a lighter colour does not in any way guarantee your safety...

There is one randomised controlled trial of high-visibility clothing worn by cyclists.

Jonathan

You're going to have to quote it

cycle tramp wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 4:00pm

Jdsk wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 3:42pm

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Wearing a lighter colour does not in any way guarantee your safety...

There is one randomised controlled trial of high-visibility clothing worn by cyclists.

You're going to have to quote it

I was tempted. And I have done previously. But I wasn't sure that there was much point in doing so in this thread... : - )

Jonathan

Jdsk wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 4:04pm

cycle tramp wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 4:00pm

Jdsk wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 3:42pm
There is one randomised controlled trial of high-visibility clothing worn by cyclists.

You're going to have to quote it

I was tempted. And I have done previously. But I wasn't sure that there was much point in doing so in this thread... : - )

Jonathan

Gosh, no I insist.. open and honest debate is the cornerstone of freedom after all... let's have no censorship here!
(Unless it's from the moderators - one feels there is only so many times one can post 'Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries' without losing its comic appeal)

"The effect of a yellow bicycle jacket on cyclist accidents"
Lahrmann et al, 2018
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ssci.2017.08.001

Jonathan

Jdsk wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 4:12pm "The effect of a yellow bicycle jacket on cyclist accidents"
Lahrmann et al, 2018
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ssci.2017.08.001

Jonathan

Thank you - One notes that the study took place outside of the uk, where other factors may have affected the result. One of the factors which I'm unable to see if whether or not they were all riding the same road at the same time under the same conditions? Not much of a test if they've just let have the group in yellow coats cycle around the country and let the other half the group cycle elsewhere or at a different time..... that makes the test barely anecdotal.
I also note those wearing yellow jackets, still had collisions

But it is appreciated. If the link does make some bike riders wear something lighter, then far be it from me to stop them. We are all adults after all... and I have no right to tell anyone what or what not to wear, any more than the next person.

However the poll was about whether it was 'acceptable for adults to make their own choice as what to wear, whilst cycling, without attracting criticism from others' which is a yes. We are not a nanny state and should be adult enough to trust our own choices without being dictated too.

We should also be aware that not all road hazards are wrapped in hi-vis, and no matter how we travel, we should always be aware of this.

cycle tramp wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 4:19pm

Jdsk wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 4:12pm "The effect of a yellow bicycle jacket on cyclist accidents"
Lahrmann et al, 2018
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ssci.2017.08.001

Thank you - One notes that the study took place outside of the uk, where other factors may have affected the result. One of the factors which I'm unable to see if whether or not they were all riding the same road at the same time under the same conditions? Not much of a test if they've just let have the group in yellow coats cycle around the country and let the other half the group cycle elsewhere or at a different time..... that's makes the test barely anecdotal.
I also note those wearing yellow jackets, still had collisions

Have you had a chance to read the Methods section?

Jonathan

PS: And thanks for confirming that I was sensible not to post it in this thread.

Jdsk wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 4:30pm

cycle tramp wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 4:19pm

Jdsk wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 4:12pm "The effect of a yellow bicycle jacket on cyclist accidents"
Lahrmann et al, 2018
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ssci.2017.08.001

Thank you - One notes that the study took place outside of the uk, where other factors may have affected the result. One of the factors which I'm unable to see if whether or not they were all riding the same road at the same time under the same conditions? Not much of a test if they've just let have the group in yellow coats cycle around the country and let the other half the group cycle elsewhere or at a different time..... that's makes the test barely anecdotal.
I also note those wearing yellow jackets, still had collisions

Have you had a chance to read the Methods section?

Jonathan

PS: And thanks for confirming that I was sensible not to post it in this thread.

No worries, I think you'll find I've added abit... for me this argument is less about safety and more about freedom of choice

Jdsk wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 4:12pm "The effect of a yellow bicycle jacket on cyclist accidents"
Lahrmann et al, 2018
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ssci.2017.08.001

Jonathan

As an aside, Howe's (independent clothing manufacturer in Wales) used to make bags for cycling couriers. One of there back packs featured a large triangular patch of stiff fabric, in the shape of a warning sign... like you might see on a post by the side of the road. It was reckoned by them, that motorists instantly would cease to accelerate on sight of one of these warning signs... its an interesting thought

Vorpal wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 3:51pm A number of posts have been removed or edited.

Please do not insult each other.

Thanks.

I also note that the post whereby it was mentioned, by another forum member, that the OP does not cycle on the roads was also removed.

Is this how the forum's going to end up? With mainly motorists who in their own words 'cycle occasionally' attempting to control those who who cycle on the roads without breaching any existing laws, by suggesting further restrictions?

Why don't simply re-brand this forum 'the motorists forum who sometimes occasionally cycle but only on sunny days on cyclepaths, so we don't cause any offence to other motorists' and then the rest of us who do cycle regularly and on the roads, know where we stand.

cycle tramp wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 5:02pm I also note that the post whereby it was mentioned, by another forum member, that the OP does not cycle on the roads was also removed.

To be fair to the mods, there was a whole string of posts (one of mine talking about autism included) that were removed because everything was referencing and quoting everything else so I can see why it got taken down.

The whole lot had gone wildly off topic by then anyway although equally, posting such a question: "Is it acceptable to ride in poor light on unlit roads?" is only ever going to lead to an argument anyway, especially around the context and what exactly constitutes "unlit road" and/or "poor light".