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Re: I do like controversy, so CAMERAS
Posted: 22 Sep 2023, 2:14pm
by peetee
Yes. Last year I was involved in a collision that gave me and my ride partner no escape options from a speeding driver who simply couldn’t see us. The police did not prosecute because of lack of evidence.
I suspect that video footage is common enough and decisive enough that to not have it makes your case not worth police time and effort, in their eyes.
Re: I do like controversy, so CAMERAS
Posted: 22 Sep 2023, 3:12pm
by Cowsham
peetee wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 2:14pm
Yes. Last year I was involved in a collision that gave me and my ride partner no escape options from a speeding driver who simply couldn’t see us. The police did not prosecute because of lack of evidence.
I suspect that video footage is common enough and decisive enough that to not have it makes your case not worth police time and effort, in their eyes.
I agree completely -- there's also the fact that you may never remember what happened. I'd have liked video footage of my crash in the forest which I have no memory of whatsoever -- it would be nice to know what happened so I could learn from it and not make the same mistake again.
Re: I do like controversy, so CAMERAS
Posted: 22 Sep 2023, 4:31pm
by Pinhead
Psamathe wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 9:49am
Pinhead wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 9:35am
Do you think it is GOOD practice to have front and rear bike cameras in case !
...
In case of what? For what purpose?
Ian
You think about it !
Re: I do like controversy, so CAMERAS
Posted: 22 Sep 2023, 4:33pm
by Pinhead
If you are involved in an accident with NO cameras prove who is to blame !
Re: I do like controversy, so CAMERAS
Posted: 22 Sep 2023, 4:34pm
by Stevek76
I run a front facing one on the handlebar, i think they can be a useful tool in helping improve some elements of driving behaviour (assuming a local police force that is good with camera submissions) but it needs to be complimented with good regular roads policing (cameras can't do anything about many issues or fake plates and the like).
I'd also not consider it in anyway to be 'good practice' and certainly wouldn't recommend it to people starting with cycling as it may come across as a barrier.
Re: I do like controversy, so CAMERAS
Posted: 22 Sep 2023, 6:20pm
by richardfm
Stevek76 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 4:34pm
I run a front facing one on the handlebar, i think they can be a useful tool in helping improve some elements of driving behaviour (assuming a local police force that is good with camera submissions) but it needs to be complimented with good regular roads policing (cameras can't do anything about many issues or fake plates and the like).
I'd also not consider it in anyway to be 'good practice' and certainly wouldn't recommend it to people starting with cycling as it may come across as a barrier.
A rear facing camera in addition makes the whole thing more useful when it comes to close passes
Re: I do like controversy, so CAMERAS
Posted: 22 Sep 2023, 7:36pm
by cycle tramp
At this point anyone with the 'bumper book of psychology for girls and boys of all ages' might deduce that the reason for posting isn't to generate any discussion but rather to seek approval...
..which is worrying, because I'm pretty sure none of us here ever wanted to be part of any perceived peer group..
..I don't have any cameras, but generally I cycle in the open countryside and only meet a few vehicles on any given trip.. perhaps if I lived in London it would be different...
..and that's the thing, cycling is different in different areas, across different terrain and for different people. Prescribing that everyone who rides a bike should do this or have rather defeats one of the splendid joys of cycling which is its variance and mutablility. A rather wonderful device which can mean different things to different people.
Re: I do like controversy, so CAMERAS
Posted: 22 Sep 2023, 10:07pm
by richardfm
cycle tramp wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 7:36pm
At this point anyone with the 'bumper book of psychology for girls and boys of all ages' might deduce that the reason for posting isn't to generate any discussion but rather to seek approval...
..which is worrying, because I'm pretty sure none of us here ever wanted to be part of any perceived peer group..
..I don't have any cameras, but generally I cycle in the open countryside and only meet a few vehicles on any given trip.. perhaps if I lived in London it would be different...
..and that's the thing, cycling is different in different areas, across different terrain and for different people. Prescribing that everyone who rides a bike should do this or have rather defeats one of the splendid joys of cycling which is its variance and mutablility. A rather wonderful device which can mean different things to different people.
Very true.
I should have said in my earlier post that I only use cameras when commuting in Cardiff (London isn't the only city with careless drivers). If I'm out for a leisure ride or a camping weekend then I don't use caneras
Re: I do like controversy, so CAMERAS
Posted: 23 Sep 2023, 12:54am
by TrevA
I routinely run a rear camera (Cycliq Fly 6), and have in the past used a Chiilitech Bullet Cam in the front, but have recently bought a Techalogic front light and camera. I’ve had one successful prosecution using footage from the Bullet Cam, where a driver overtook on a 90 degree bend and had to pull in sharply, as there was a car approaching from the opposite direction.
I started using cameras after an incident in an Audax a few years ago. I was in a small group that was overtaken by a car pulling a trailer, which pulled in too soon and knocked the front rider off, fracturing his skull. The car didn’t stop and the driver was never traced.
Re: I do like controversy, so CAMERAS
Posted: 23 Sep 2023, 10:14am
by Psamathe
Pinhead wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 4:31pm
Psamathe wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 9:49am
Pinhead wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 9:35am
Do you think it is GOOD practice to have front and rear bike cameras in case !
...
In case of what? For what purpose?
Ian
You think about it !
You asked a vague question. Why should I be thinking about and guessing what you intended to ask?
Cameras can serve many different purposes, it is reasonable for me to ask exactly what purposes your question related to asn your response "
You think about it !" is rude and daft.
Ian
Re: I do like controversy, so CAMERAS
Posted: 23 Sep 2023, 1:37pm
by Cowsham
I like CONTROVERSY too -- have done since 1981
https://youtu.be/YmHcIYmWWrw?feature=shared
Re: I do like controversy, so CAMERAS
Posted: 23 Sep 2023, 1:47pm
by cycle tramp
Um... ..I might be seen as being more controversial if my posts weren't removed... and to be fair these weren't meant as statements of controversy but more open questions, like... should we have marriages for more than two consenting adults?
(This post will self destruct in.. ten, nine..)
Re: I do like controversy, so CAMERAS
Posted: 23 Sep 2023, 2:43pm
by Stevek76
richardfm wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 6:20pm
A rear facing camera in addition makes the whole thing more useful when it comes to close passes
Possibly but i bought the front primarily for other reasons as an action cam. I have considered getting a rear but it's not a priority for me. I guess it does depend on the force but I've not had any of the close passes I've put to Avon & Somerset getting 'no further action' outcomes so what a I'm providing is clearly deemed sufficient.
I do keep the front wheel in frame as a reference and run the field of view in 'dewarp' mode such that the footage looks similar to real life, the wide and ultra wide perspectives action cams default to can make passes look further than they are.
Re: I do like controversy, so CAMERAS
Posted: 23 Sep 2023, 2:54pm
by Pinhead
Stevek76 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 4:34pm
I run a front facing one on the handlebar, i think they can be a useful tool in helping improve some elements of driving behaviour (assuming a local police force that is good with camera submissions) but it needs to be complimented with good regular roads policing (cameras can't do anything about many issues or fake plates and the like).
I'd also not consider it in anyway to be 'good practice' and certainly wouldn't recommend it to people starting with cycling as it may come across as a barrier.
We now have a 20mph limit here, yesterday the ONLY 4x4 I said SLOW DOWN to was Police REALLY
Re: I do like controversy, so CAMERAS
Posted: 23 Sep 2023, 2:55pm
by Pinhead
Stevek76 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2023, 2:43pm
richardfm wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 6:20pm
A rear facing camera in addition makes the whole thing more useful when it comes to close passes
Possibly but i bought the front primarily for other reasons as an action cam. I have considered getting a rear but it's not a priority for me. I guess it does depend on the force but I've not had any of the close passes I've put to Avon & Somerset getting 'no further action' outcomes so what a I'm providing is clearly deemed sufficient.
I do keep the front wheel in frame as a reference and run the field of view in 'dewarp' mode such that the footage looks similar to real life, the wide and ultra wide perspectives action cams default to can make passes look further than they are.
Totally different in wales with GOSAFE, I report phone users, dangerous drivers, three this month two got points and a fine one a driving course